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Help! My opponent uses a giant unit of blood knights led by three characters (totalling 1500 points) and they run roughshod over anything I attempt to throw at them. Aside from being vampires, the 4+ ward banner and 4+ regen banner from the BSB are bad news.

Any ideas how to take them out? I run High Elves!

Teclis and Tyrion aren't enough?

Great Eagles for frenzy bait and then kill everything else?

Dual Dragons.

How big is his "giant unit"? That's a big chunk of points in a single unit of 1 W dudes.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

He has 7 Blood Knights and 3 Characters. They are all suitably beefy and have alot of magic and what not as well at their disposal. The entire unit + characters is about 1500 points.

That leaves him room for 1 more vampire running around by himself and 3 units of zombies.

Tell him you are sick of it and won't play him if he uses it?

Baring that try:

Prince
Talisman of saphery (magic weapons are normal weapons)
Star lance (st 7 and no armour save)
Armour of caledor (2+ armour save)
Star Dragon

2 mages, level 2 each, one with 2 dispel scrolls and 1 with Staff of sorcery for +2 to all dispel rolls.

3 repeater bolt throwers

1 eagle (to bait and flee the kilelr unit)

I'd then either spam him with 5 units of 5 swordmasters (champ and muso only upgrade) or 5 units of 5 white lions (champ and muso only upgrade)

Fill rest with whatever you want.

Hope for first turn.
Fly dragon so you will be in his unit's rear turn 2, for charge turn 3.
Eagle baits and flees to divert him turn 1 or 2 so he presents a flank or runs up to terrain (thanks frenzy)
the repeater bolt throwers keep shooting the unit.
Turn 3 you aim for the lord and dragon to his super unit's rear and aim for 3 units of infantry into him.
I like swordmasters thanks to their extra attacks but the st6 of the swordsmasters is great.

Waaagh_Gonads +1. (I think you meant the s6 of WLs. Also the charging from terrain is very useful.)

DO NOT rear charge the blood knights. Flank charge them. Rear charging allows too many potential attacks back. Flanking guarantees none back after you butcher the poor dude.

Drawing charges w/eagles for flank bolt shots is great.

Just flee whatever he charges. Rinse and repeat.

Probably won't win but it'll piss him off.


Or follow WG's advice, that would work too.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I'd use Eagles and/or Glade Riders. Unless he screens with wolfies, you should be
able to keep the Knights out of the game. Sometimes you even want to take the charge
as it forces him to end up facing a certain way

Also, if you can get an Eagle close enough, you can Marchblock them
early on (unless the Vampire march rules overrules marchblocking).

Waaagh Gonads +1.

Remember if he went overkill enough to give one of the vampires Hatred, it will force the unit to pursue & overrun. For even more forcing him to move where you want goodness.

Yes I meant whit eloins.

No standards in the army, it just gives points to the enemy.

Good point on flank charging jmurph.

I'd like to change my plan.
Assumeing he gets first turn.
Turn 1 move forward with the star dragon/lord for flank charge.
Move eagle up for bait and flee.
Shoot 3 repeater bolt throwers at them.
Turn 2 smash the flank of the super unit with the lord/star dragon.


I just rolled up mathshammer 5 times for that scenario and you will get through the armour of 5-6 guys, and end up killing 1-2 thanks to the ward and regen.

They would outnumber, standard, BSB, no rank (you are in the flank) so +3
You have flank and generously 2 dead for 3. He would have muso so he would win. :(

Ozymandis makes a good point.

Eagle then shadow warriors or white lions in forests/terrain as the only things he can charge.

Just flee all the time and don't let him catch you. Try and get him in a forest or terrain, it will take 2-3 turns for him to get them out.

Kill the rest of his army.

Try that for 3-4 games until he starts whining then tell him to wake up to himself and play a more balanced list. The odd power trip is OK but repeatedly its no fun for anyone.

just take 4 eagles
bait and flee to your hearts content, use your 1800 point advantage to kill whatever else is in their army (star dragon is particularly usefull against ud)
bring enough dispell power to shut his magic phase down so van dance doesnt get to you.

cypher wrote:just take 4 eagles.

Think of the shipping fees, man!

Devious......

Thanks guys!

the best way toget rid of it is ally a battery of helblasters in legendary battles. other than that, you could use dragons or bait like others have said

Buy a unit(preferably two) of fast cav, put them in front of the blood knights. Since they're frenzied, the have to charge. Flee. Since you're fast cav you can still move after you rally so do this every turn and run the blood knights into a corner or wherever you please while you peg it with bolt throwers(in the side with single bolts if you angle your redirectors correctly)

Any news on how you went?

Basically, I explained how I would lead his blood knights around the table with eagles and fast cav, and have a dragon eat everything that was left, and then culminate in a bloody charge on the blood knights. My friend refused to play the game.

Good for you. Did he remove the Deathstar from his army for good?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Congrats! however if he starts realizing that by boosting his moves with vanhel's he can catch the unit that is "leading" him.

Vampires are the only ones who can get away with frenzy because of this fact.

To negate this, take a mage with the reaver bow, put him on a flyer, and get some dispel scrolls......then youll be good.

Eh, I dunno what he does with his army now. I'm a very casual fantasy player. I'm much more into 40k. This really came about because we were discussing strategies and he was saying he wanted someone to beat his army so that he could think of ways to make it better.

I came up with a way (with y'all's help) and he folded, so I'm not really sure what the real message there is.

Sounds like an annoying player.