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I am into the whole Nobz biker thing since I saw the new bikers+Forgeworld, but I am mostly into converting and making unique models.
Say one day I decide to put these guys to use, will I have problems if like half of my "nobz" are using regular ork heads AND \ OR bodies? The ones thus far, although they have the regular features, I will equip with either boss poles, or Power claws, and some extra bits, so at the very least, they are just physically smaller Nobz with some obviously Nob gear...
Also, some of the nobz have like big double barrel pistols which I assume is a twin linked shoota now... but Can I get away with saying its just a Nob pistol (i mean it is one handed)...

And of course, U'ge choppas, PK's, and combi-weapons will be obvious... but I like the options afforded to me by a lot of the regular size ork heads.

Thanks!



PS - also, i am doing the same with my CSMs.... For instance... Plague Marines come equipped with nades, pistol, CC weapon, and bolter... Therefore, I assume its OK to model the regular Plagues in your squad with either a bolter, or a pistol plus CC weapon? I have my Melta gunners with melta guns and my AC with PF modelled of course....

This shouldn't be a problem with most people if you tell them before the game.
Though they would probably frown on this in tournaments...
Anyway
Game on


//Edge

Well, do you think it the body or head that makes the nob, or both? I'm making the effort to make the "slightly" smaller guys obviously more than the average, and trying to pose them larger and bigger.

All that matters IMO is that whatever you do to make nob bikers, they are clearly distinct from your normal bikers, be that through modelling them larger or with better bikes, or even just painting there bikes prettier (obviously the orky version of prettyness)

Wargear is good but you really should have some way of knowing these are nobs and not just bikers other than the klaws etc. IMO

It's probably alright to use the smaller torsos. I'd look to pick up some AoBR nobz, a knife or hobby saw, and just slap their torsos on the biker legs.

I have used AOBR Nobs with Ork Bikers. I have cut the Nobs right above their belt and glue it to the Bikers legs.
While it seems clear to me which are Nobs and which are Bikes, I am not so sure about any non-Ork players.

I have thought about adding some kind of banners to the Nob bikes to make it perfectly clear. I believe that when making a conversion it is the converters responsibility to make it so absolutly perfectly clear that you opponent have no doubt what so ever.
I believe Ork players (like my self) have an even greater responsibility as models tend to "disappear" in the green horde.

And if all you have in your force are a squad (or two) of Nob bikers (and no 'normal' bikes), well, that solves it too...

Yeah, it would only be one squad of or 2 of Nob bikers, in the classic setup... I liked Bikes from the start, and since the regular ones seem useless, and the Nob ones with WB + surgeon dude are talked about alot that seems the way to go for most people... and for me it lets you play with like 1/4 the size army you normally need for Orks which I love. I hate moving hordes.

Also, any word on the CSMs in the original post?

Thanks

Both would be fine as long as they had the correct equipment. Also, the Deff Koptaz have nobz riding them and are fairly easy to convert into bikers.

awsum thanks guys. I've had cases before where people (in other games) flip over stuff like this and to me I'm usually always paying more $$$ to create the conversion, and its clearly to be unique or express my creativity. Yet somehow someone thinks you're trying to screw the company.

It's not like you're avoiding buying a $20 upgrade kit or using something from another line. There are not enough big torsos to build all 3 bikes as nob bikers. And dropping $35 each on the Forgeworld ones is not, imho, a reasonable answer for most people.

I think they need to be clear they're nobz. Now, if they're all carrying around big choppaz, klawz, etc. - then it's pretty clear. I think using the AoBR nob torso is a good work-around (even if they have the smaller boyz arms holding the handlebars) and is what I plan to do. Putting banners or other decorations on them would work as well (using cybork parts, etc.).

I have no idea what the Nobz in the nobz boxset coming out next month is like. But, that would be 5 nobz for $25 and have extra klaws, etc. You could see what they're like and maybe use them.

99% of the people you'll play will have no problem is it's clear what they are (and part of the way they may be clear is if you only have a boss and nobz on bikes, and the boss is clearly different). Don't listen to the 1% that try to bring you down.

My biggest concern would be at an official event, as I am not sure if I'd get booted or have to remove the smaller nobz. I fully plan on getting the Nob boxed set, and the Forgeworld Nobz... so a good portion of my guys WILL be FULL sized Nobz... its just like maybe 1/3 - 1/2 I planned on using the smaller guys parts.

And same with the CSM Plague Marines...

I'd hate to play at a tourney and have an official get in my face because my Plague guys are half modeled holding bolters and half modeled holding pistols + sword. despite that all being part of their standard profile.

with regular public play, I would laugh in a persons face about both the Nobz and CSMs

As far as I know, tournaments generally require 100% WYSIWYG.

As for laughing in someone's face because you didn't want to spend the money or time doing something WYSIWYG, well that says enough right there I believe. Not all players are Masters of the 40k Universe and know what default wargear every unit in every army is equipped with.

Just make absolutly sure that it is perfectly clear which units are which.

And keep in mind that that is from the opponents point of view. Painting them a different shade, giving the bikes dags or giving them all Big Choppas might not be good enough.

As you have made a conversion it is up to you to make sure your opponent can tell what is represents. This counts doubly for us Ork players.

Trekari wrote:
As for laughing in someone's face because you didn't want to spend the money or time doing something WYSIWYG, well that says enough right there I believe. Not all players are Masters of the 40k Universe and know what default wargear every unit in every army is equipped with.

To the quote above; You didn't read the thread correctly.
I already said I make it obvious that I didn't save money or time. And also all the Orks are properly equipped... so I will stand by my comment.
Heres one quote I wrote
"I've had cases before where people (in other games) flip over stuff like this and to me I'm usually always paying more $$$ to create the conversion, and its clearly to be unique or express my creativity. Yet somehow someone thinks you're trying to screw the company. "

The only thing in questionis the ork heads and bodies...
What makes a Nob a Nob?, etc....
I mean, ok if you look very close, yes that Ork has a boss pole, a power claw, and is in a Nobs with Warboss biker unit.
BUT, he has the head from a Ork with a flame thrower and a regular biker body cuz maybe I like the leather jack variant.(the ones with the big welder glasses)
Does that make him an illegal MOD even though the Nob weapons and options are all properly shown?


Its literally just the bodies and heads of the nobz you break it down.

My entire quote is about the Plague Marine reference, where you admittedly did not model them WYSIWYG because "Plague Marines come equipped with nades, pistol, CC weapon, and bolter..."

I made no comment about your Ork Nob situation.

OK, well you didn't specify that at all, and I admitted to modeling some with pistols, and some with bolters since all PSMs come equipped with that.
Again it doesn't come down to time or money being saved at all and by your standards all CSMs should be modeled with a CC weapon, a pistol, 2 types of nades, and a bolter to fit the WYSIWYG rules. Aint happenin.
Additionally I pointed that any marines with exceptions would be modeled and equipped as such...

"I have my Melta gunners with melta guns and my AC with PF modelled of course.... "

Misunderstandings aside, I will work with my custom Nobz and individually modeled PSMs and if I for whatever reason I enter a tourney I'll just call the promoter and find out the real deal instead of the bla bla you're givin me. I guess the real answer is just always going to be, talk to the event promoter. There, answered. Done. and Done.

J2FcM wrote:
Misunderstandings aside, I will work with my custom Nobz and individually modeled PSMs and if I for whatever reason I enter a tourney I'll just call the promoter and find out the real deal instead of the bla bla you're givin me. I guess the real answer is just always going to be, talk to the event promoter. There, answered. Done. and Done.

Well, since we seem to be totally honest now, I'll add a bit.

It is a pointless (some might say stupid) question to begin with. No matter what we say here on the magical, perfect internetz, it will have zero impact on how a given TO will actually rule it.

The answer to your original question;

"How should we know wether you will get in trouble for a given conversion? Why don't you contact the tournament organizers?!?......oh, you are not going to a tournament?!?.....then why are you asking us? Ask you friends if they would mind. Arguing "the guys on the Net says it is ok" is a sure way of getting rediculed".



There, answered. Done. And done.

argh... buddy I was hopin maybe an actual "ref" or a tourny player, or someone from the company might frequent the forums and have some actual experience. I figured with all the good advice and experience on the tactics section would cross over here... hehehhe

Well, I consider the advice I have given to be extremely usefull and generic (in a good way). Keeping the things I have said in mind will ensure you never run into trouble.

When it comes to PM, I am of the oppinion that you can freely switch between Bolter and Boltpistol/Chainsword. It is part of their standard equipment, so how you actually model them is irrelevant. Only when it comes to deviation from the initial (free) equipment, do you have to get anal.

dats what I'm talkin bout!