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I read in that INAT FAQ that each squad counts as a separate troop unit during Dawn of War deployment, and was wondering how everyone played this.

Same principle of deploying a squad and its dedicated transport, they are all separate units from the Troops Section of the army list.

BoxANT wrote:I read in that INAT FAQ that each squad counts as a separate troop unit during Dawn of War deployment, and was wondering how everyone played this.

When I was in my local GW store, the ruling was that an IG platoon counts as 1 troop choice for Dawn of War. Also, the IG HQ could also deploy all its HQ detachments as well since they have to be purchased with the HQ to field them.

Then how do you explain the fact that the example in the rulebook clearly states that a squad's dedicated transport is a separate unit when they have to be purchased with the unit in order to field them?

Ghaz wrote:Then how do you explain the fact that the example in the rulebook clearly states that a squad's dedicated transport is a separate unit when they have to be purchased with the unit in order to field them?

The only transport I know of that is a separate unit from it's infantry is a land speeder storm with a 5 man scout squad (unless I've missed some FAQ about it).

Again, read the example given for Dawn of War in the rulebook. How do you explain that dedicated transports are 'separate units' yet the support squads for an Imperial Guard Command Platoon are not.

Well a Command Platoon is an easy one, it even says in the IG Codex that "counts as a *single unit* for army selection, deployment and reserve purposes."

Dedicated transports count as separate units as said in the 5th edition rules.

The question is Infantry Platoon and their command/infantry squads...

BoxANT wrote:Well a Command Platoon is an easy one, it even says in the IG Codex that "counts as a *single unit* for army selection, deployment and reserve purposes."

Except in this case, the rules for the scenario take precedence as they're more specific. The rules from the Imperial Guard codex normally apply to all scenarios, while Dawn of War only applies to scenarios using those rules. Hence the Dawn of War would take precedence.

Why? Codex > Rulebook

No, more specific>less specific.

Per IG codex, "A command platoon counts as a single unit for army selection, deployment, and reserves purposes."

I see nothing in Dawn of War that would override this codex qualifier.

Per BRB, "He can then deploy up to two units from his Troops selections and up to one from his HQ selections in his half of the table".

In the example italicized text, there is an indication that dedicated transports count as a second troop selection for the indicated troop, which makes sense as they are actually separate units.

However, going back to the IG codex, the entire command platoon counts as a single unit for deployment. Regular troop platoons, however, would have to deploy piecemeal.

have to say that guards do well out of this you could have most of your army on the board turn one

Each Platoon counts as a single Troop choice on the force organisation chart when deploying ... would say if the codex wasn't about to be replaced this would be the changed to single unit also
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A Command Platoon counts as a single unit for army selection, deployment and reserves purposes.

Codex trumps Rulebook ... you can say the rules are wrong or weak but that doesn't stop them from being right ... till its FAQ any way ... or more likely the new IG codex comes out and replaces this with other problems

Whoops. That will teach me to read before I write. Move along, please.

Troop platoons would NOT be able to deploy in full because they do not have the special caveat that the command platoon does, "counts as single unit".

You can put down your entire HQ command platoon of CO+vets, their chimera, sentinels, special weapons squads, heavy weapons squads, etc but you could only put down, for example, one 10 man guardsman squad and one 5 man command squad as troops.

Sadly I am thinking that the INAT FAQ is dead on :(

Codex says Command Platoon counts as one unit *for deployment*, the Infantry Platoon does not :(

Infantry Platoon only says counts as one troops choice for the FOC. That means you can take 6 platoons in your army, but does nothing when deploying in DoW :(

Oh well, at least I get my whole Command Platoon (read: HW squads).

Yep, Command Platoon has the phrasing that it counts as a single unit for deployment so it is good. Infantry Platoon does not, so it isn't.
And yes, Codex special rules do indeed supercede main rulebook, to include units able to deploy. Let us not forget that IG can currently start all their sentinels on the table as well, since their Scouts rule says they may always deploy, regardless of scenario restrictions.............

Now Now Don.

I don't have my rule book here but if the new rules changed the way scout is worded then you have to use the new scout rules. If the new rules for scout say they can do it then it is allowed.

I could be talking out my butt but I believe scout is a universal rule and works the way it is written in the new rules.

Just a reminder that it is up to 2 troop choices and up to 1 HQ choice. You could just put down 1 unit of troops.

or more usefully just your HQ ...

I believe the rule says you have to put 1 Troop choice down and up to 1 more.

Great catch, don_mondo.

Special Rule
Scouts: Sentinels are used to scout ahead and are always in the vanguard of the army. To represent this, any Sentinels in the army may be deployed at the start of a battle, even in scenarios where they could not normally be deployed.

In all honesty, I don't see this being incredibly useful since scouts typically want to outflank and night fighting first turn makes their long guns a bit ... not long. But that is a valid use for them.

The Scouts universal rule is not going to affect this because it's printed in the codex. Although they have the same name, they do different things. The Scouts rule for Sentinels doesn't even reference the USR, anyhow.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:I believe the rule says you have to put 1 Troop choice down and up to 1 more.

Nope. Up to 2 Troops and a HQ.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Now Now Don.

I don't have my rule book here but if the new rules changed the way scout is worded then you have to use the new scout rules. If the new rules for scout say they can do it then it is allowed.

I could be talking out my butt but I believe scout is a universal rule and works the way it is written in the new rules.

Just a reminder that it is up to 2 troop choices and up to 1 HQ choice. You could just put down 1 unit of troops.

I would, except that the main rulebook tells us that if a codex has it's own version of a USR, we are to use the codex version (paeg 74). So I'm required to use the codex version.

And yet another GW mistake. I wish they would get their act together.

It's not a GW mistake, they wrote the codex to work a certain way and despite releasing a new edition it continues to work that way, how is that a mistake?

Seems more like a Mauleed mistake to me.

Seems more like a Mauleed mistake to me

Seconded, Spleen. I've counted 3 of those on this page alone...

My vote: the whole HQ Platoon can go down but only two units from the Infantry Platoon may be deployed, plus any Sentinels per their special Scout rules.