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Since GW has finally released a battlewagon model, does this mean that all my wagons need to have at least 50% GW stuff, or they have to have 50% of the GW wagon in tournaments?

I've been planning and building my wagons from pretty much scratch, and this wreaks havoc on my plans. While I like the battlewagon model since it is really flavorful and unique, having a bunch of the things sort of ruins the whole point of having an army of ramshackle vehicles that are different from each other.

Mekniakal wrote:Since GW has finally released a battlewagon model, does this mean that all my wagons need to have at least 50% GW stuff, or they have to have 50% of the GW wagon in tournaments?

Well, that very much depends on the rules given for any individual tournament, doesn't it? Why don't you contact the TOs and ask?

I've been planning and building my wagons from pretty much scratch, and this wreaks havoc on my plans. While I like the battlewagon model since it is really flavorful and unique, having a bunch of the things sort of ruins the whole point of having an army of ramshackle vehicles that are different from each other.

Erhm...what?
I don't seem to understand what you are trying to say.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Mekniakal wrote:Since GW has finally released a battlewagon model, does this mean that all my wagons need to have at least 50% GW stuff, or they have to have 50% of the GW wagon in tournaments?

Well, that very much depends on the rules given for any individual tournament, doesn't it? Why don't you contact the TOs and ask?

I've been planning and building my wagons from pretty much scratch, and this wreaks havoc on my plans. While I like the battlewagon model since it is really flavorful and unique, having a bunch of the things sort of ruins the whole point of having an army of ramshackle vehicles that are different from each other.

Erhm...what?
I don't seem to understand what you are trying to say.

Sorry, I'm a bit sick, so I'm not at the top of my game linguistically.

The second part isn't a question I'm asking, it is just a comment. I've been making a bunch of battlewagons from scratch and by kitbashing; if the new battlewagon makes my scratch-built wagons illegal to use in tournaments, it means pretty much half my army is illegal.

In local tournaments it is pretty much is a moot point. At my LFGS most of the people don't care except for a few people, so at local tournaments it isn't a problem. I'm talking about GT's and the like. I'm asking because while I mostly play friendly games I might want to try some bigger tournaments later.

Yes this is pretty much the end of years of building your own units with orks. I guess you can still make looted wagons.

i think just so long it corresponds to the size of the battle wagon (or bigger) it'll be ok.

I don't think it will matter unless the tourneys are wholly run by GW. It's only in their 'house events' that they can even enforce such a ruling.

It won't matter a jot here, for example (GW have pulled out of the tourney organising [see 'too hard' clause] in Oz) and ork players will continue to use whatever they have been using to this point.

Even when GW were providing sole prize support, they still didn't enforce their "only GW models or xx% GW models allowed" policy here outside of their GTs.

When is the ozzie GT chromedog? im looking at going, with orks maybe, and if so, i'll need to buy battlewagons then

There are no more aussie GTs. They stopped doing them. There might be one at GenConOz in QLD later this year, but I've not heard of any others.

I've spoken to Dave Dinglestad (who used to be in charge of tourney and club support) and he said AFAHK (as far as he knew) there wouldn't be any more of them. There wasn't one outside of GenconOz in 2008.

The last GD I went to in Oz had Jes Goodwin as a GoH - shows how often I go to their events, huh? (besides, GD was usually on my birthday weekend, and quite frankly, I would rather be out in the backyard with mates, drinking beer and talking cr4p than going to GD). Less noobs, too.

That is so disheartening, why god? why?

I think it boiled down to CBA.

Either Cost/Benefit analysis or
Couldn't be a..ed.

My money's on the first. It wasn't a cost-effective enterprise (at least, Sydney wasn't. Hiring halls is expensive in Sydney. You either pay lots for a good location, or pay less for one out in the boonies, but run the risk that no-one will come.).

In NSW at least, we have the Lords of Terra (LoT) event to replace it on the tourney rankings (top xx players in region are invited to attend to find the best) and they ran an "open" comp (that non-seeded players could enter. Top 3 qualified for next years' LoT(i).

Don't know about other states - the guy who compiles national rankings is an occasional drop-in to my club and we go to his inter-club meets as well.

Cool, do LoT post information anywhere [GW, WD, internet site of their own]?

I would love to be apart of it this year

Ha! GW stuck it to the players again! All you models are now worthless! Welcome to the money pit I like to call WH40K. It is such a multifaceted hobby - Tactics, socializing, collecting, modeling, painting, anger, argument, desire, and despair!

The rules for the Las Vegas, Chicago, and Baltimore GTs all stated that scratch-built models were legal only if a GW model was unavailable. The whole raison d'etre of GW is to have people buy their plastic toys.

As with almost any "Is it legal" question, it all depends on the venue. Official GW events, see olympia's answer. Local tourney's/events, ask the organizer. You and your buds at your local club, whatever you guys say.

The rules for the Las Vegas, Chicago, and Baltimore GTs all stated that scratch-built models were legal only if a GW model was unavailable.

Wow, I was unaware of that change, as in past years they were much more liberal.

Well, there is also a difference between the official rules, and how they are enforced.

It often comes down to how well the model looks.

Mek,
I should have said that conversions should still be legal at GW GTs. The rule sheet I referenced above stated that a conversion was legal if it started out as a GW model and was majority GW parts. So, for example, a Land Raider that you converted into a Battlewagon would still be legal according to the most strict standards of 2008 tournaments.

olympia wrote:Mek,
I should have said that conversions should still be legal at GW GTs. The rule sheet I referenced above stated that a conversion was legal if it started out as a GW model and was majority GW parts. So, for example, a Land Raider that you converted into a Battlewagon would still be legal according to the most strict standards of 2008 tournaments.

Okay, thanks.

The problem is that my stuff is pretty much moving to pure plasticard.

Well, I guess I will have to stick some random piece of landraider, fill it up with all the random GW Bits/sprues I don't need and then work around it.

Or just play at our local GTs. Their rules basically boil down to: "if it is done, and looks cool, use it."

If my scratch built Pods are no longer legal, neither are your battlewagons.

And who says your scratch built Pods are no longer legal, Most people would allow it, the INAT FAQ has made allowances for it, the only thing some people would dispute is the doors being closed on them when you put them down.

But that's a very different thing to saying you can't scratch build drop pods, it's saying your scratch built drop pods do not fulfill the requirements that the other player deems necessary for a drop pod to be usable, and they have a reason behind that requirement.

I guess it's a good thing I lost my homemade resin cast drop pods and my hotwheels/ GI Joe battlewagon then.

I know here in Canada, GW allows conversions/scratchbuilds in their tourneys.

No sense forcing people to stifle their creativity.

A guy at my FLGS told me that his cousin talked to a red shirt and the red shirt told him that you can't use any Battlewagons, except GW & FW anymore.




Win.


Eric

For the most part they are (I know one store that insists that you must use the model GW makes and if its new you have to play with the new versions/ but they just want to make sure people have to buy new stuff whenever it comes out and in all my years this is the only store Ive ever seen pull this mess.) but as far as GW is concerened they love it when people convert/scratch build stuff as long as you follow the guidelines, now if your shop insists on you using new models all the time I suggest finding a new shop. If a guy can come to a GT with freakin turtle shells for rhinos you can use a scratch built BW. As a matter of fact all the people I know that play orks (including some GW employees) dont plan on ever using the new BW as its intended, its just to weedy. Its a great model for bits but very few people will run it as is.