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Page 15 necron codex "The necron lord is mounted on an otherwise destroyer platform. He moves as if mounted on a jetbike and gets +1 Toughness. As a result he cant be instantly killed by weapons with strengh 10"

Page 26 5th edition rulebook "if a model suffers an unsaved wound from an attack that has a strengh value of double its toughnesse value or greater it is killed outwright"

Which is right for my destroyers and my destroyer lord?

Thanks.

Codex trumps the big rule book. Pretty much the way that has been excepted. Not to mention if a rule is given an exception, like in this case, then the exception is taken. Hence he cannot be instant killed. Use the codex and you will not go wrong in this case.

The lord's base toughness is 5, and the destroyer body adds 1 to that making it 6 and not 5(6). For instant death due to a wound with strength double his toughness it'd take strength 12.

Normal destroyers (or a footslogging lord) only have toughness 5, so they'd suffer instant death (and not get WBB) from a strength 10 wound.

Other forms of instant death still apply though (force weapons for instance).

Hope this helps.

Thanks!

I hadnt realised the Necron Lord was T 5.

fraustdemon wrote:
Other forms of instant death still apply though (force weapons for instance).

Unless the FW is strength 10 as the rule says he cannot be instakilled by weapons of S10 and doesn't leave any exceptions!

jmurph wrote:

fraustdemon wrote:
Other forms of instant death still apply though (force weapons for instance).

Unless the FW is strength 10 as the rule says he cannot be instakilled by weapons of S10 and doesn't leave any exceptions!

Cant cover everything. nobody else would have any fun that way.

He can still be killed outright by a nemesis force weapon... another good reason to take one.

G

He can still be killed by all forms of instant death, up to and including double toughness attacks.

The codex is making clear that it is actually a +1 toughness, not a 'virtual increase' like what a character on a Bike receives.

That's all it's trying to say.

sourclams wrote:He can still be killed by all forms of instant death, up to and including double toughness attacks.

The codex is making clear that it is actually a +1 toughness, not a 'virtual increase' like what a character on a Bike receives.

That's all it's trying to say.

Well the double toughness part of ID cant happen once on the Destroyer Body. Str 12 dosent exsist, and except for attacks, no stat is allowe higher then 10.

He can be instantly killed by wraithcannons rolling a 6, Force Weapons passing a leadership check, Nemesis Force Weapons, and other weapons that can cause instant death (or killed outright NFW) that do not have a specific strength value.

He cannot be Instant Killed by a S10 attack with a destroyer body. That's all it's sayin.

D-Cannon can smoke it.

ya man.

jmurph wrote:

fraustdemon wrote:
Other forms of instant death still apply though (force weapons for instance).

Unless the FW is strength 10 as the rule says he cannot be instakilled by weapons of S10 and doesn't leave any exceptions!

Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, "they immediately remove the model from play, regardless of numbers of wounds." While it sounds like semantics, it has been proven that Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, but simply remove a model from play.

Mattlov wrote:Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, "they immediately remove the model from play, regardless of numbers of wounds." While it sounds like semantics, it has been proven that Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, but simply remove a model from play.

BGB wrote:the enemy model suffers instant death, regardless of its Toughness value

I don't know what rulebook you're reading...

Agreeing with many others, Necron Lords w. destroyer bodies are immune to instant death as a result of anything doubling their T (which cannot happen), but are not immune to other sources of instant death.

Traskel wrote:

Mattlov wrote:Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, "they immediately remove the model from play, regardless of numbers of wounds." While it sounds like semantics, it has been proven that Force Weapons don't cause Instant Death, but simply remove a model from play.

BGB wrote:the enemy model suffers instant death, regardless of its Toughness value

I don't know what rulebook you're reading...

Agreeing with many others, Necron Lords w. destroyer bodies are immune to instant death as a result of anything doubling their T (which cannot happen), but are not immune to other sources of instant death.

Whoops, thinking of my Grey Knight Nemesis Force Weapons...