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Space marine captain - Storm bolter and power fist - 128pts

Total unit pts- 128pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with powerfist flamer and missile launcher - 195pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 230pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with powerfist flamer and missile launcher - 195pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 230pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with powerfist flamer and missile launcher - 195ts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 230pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with powerfist flamer and missile launcher - 195ts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 230pts

Dreadnought with heavy flamers and twin linked heavy flamers - 115pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total unit - 150pts

Dreadnought with heavy flamers and twin linked heavy flamers - 115pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total unit - 150pts

Dreadnought with heavy flamers and twin linked heavy flamers - 115pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total unit - 150pts

total army - 1498pts

Please advise and rate

effective but people have learned about frop pod armies and have found effective lists to counter them so i suggest the only thing is dont play with this list agains the same person twice well mabye twice but thats all theyll learn i tell you

You only have 4x missile launchers, 5x powerfists (CC) and 3x Dreadnoughts (in CC) That are S8+. and only the missile launchers have a range over 24"

Land Raiders, Ork Battlewagons, Necron monoliths, Nidzilla, Daemon Princes, all Tau armies and most (if not all) Eldar armies will slaughter you.

This needs a ground-up rethink!

The idea in principle behind the all-drop army with SM infantry and dreads is sound but you need different options/loadout for everything...sorry...

lolzman wrote:effective but people have learned about frop pod armies and have found effective lists to counter them so i suggest the only thing is dont play with this list agains the same person twice well mabye twice but thats all theyll learn i tell you

is it an effective army list tho?

Chimera_Calvin wrote:You only have 4x missile launchers, 5x powerfists (CC) and 3x Dreadnoughts (in CC) That are S8+. and only the missile launchers have a range over 24"

Land Raiders, Ork Battlewagons, Necron monoliths, Nidzilla, Daemon Princes, all Tau armies and most (if not all) Eldar armies will slaughter you.

This needs a ground-up rethink!

The idea in principle behind the all-drop army with SM infantry and dreads is sound but you need different options/loadout for everything...sorry...

Any advice on what weapons and where to take them?

Swap at least one tactical for a sternguard with combi-meltas (and/or combi-flamers).
Take either Multi-meltas or twin Lascannon on your dreads

Both Vulkan and Cantor make good HQ choices for this kind of list but if you want a cheaper option try a librarian with Gate of Infinity so you can redeploy.

One possible option would be to look at other things that work with the drop-pod theme (i.e. all deep-strike), namely Land Speeders, Terminators or Assault Marines depending on your preference.

My personal choice would be to go with Cantor, 2x small(er) Sternguard squads in pods, 2x Tac squads in pods and 2x Dreads in pods and see where you get to points-wise.

Good luck, hope this helps!!

lolzman wrote:effective but people have learned about frop pod armies and have found effective lists to counter them so i suggest the only thing is dont play with this list agains the same person twice well mabye twice but thats all theyll learn i tell you

Hahaha. No one goes that far.

the list is to basic it will get eatin alive for sure. if you droped all power fist you would have alot of left over points. you really dont have any shooty goodness and your close combat is only a bunch of tactical squads and a few dreads. i cant see this list doing anything but a few wins

Chimera_Calvin wrote:
Land Raiders, Ork Battlewagons, Necron monoliths, Nidzilla, Daemon Princes, all Tau armies and most (if not all) Eldar armies will slaughter you.

Battle wagons are Av10 open topped vs power fists, Monoliths should never be targeted in the first place, the max 2 daemon princes that can be taken can be overrun with troops. All Tau and most eldar? that seems like a serious overstatement. What you means is that Mech tau and mech eldar will be difficult, right? Str 8 does well vs Eldar, and tau if you are getting side or rear shots (which you should with a doppod army).

Nidzilla will be a challenge for this army, as it has a relatively short effective range, especially if the opponent brings the CC zilla's that the meta now favors, and LR will be terribly hard if you don't manage to assault them with your dreadnoughts. However at 1500, atleast one dread should be able to live and take out the 1-2 LRs that exist at this point level.

so really, the difficulty with this army are heavy support zillas with a 2+ save, as there isn't much other than dread that can take them off, and zillas are notoriously good at scrapping dreads.


However there is a thing called tactics that may allow this army to beat a zilla army. if you can position yourself to get a good 2 turns of missile shooting on them while your dreads drop to support your troops in the inevitable zilla assault, there may be a reasonable chance of survival.

In short, the I think that this army, with proper use, can be at least moderately effective against the units listed in the previous post, and a "slaughter" is by no means assured.

Vulkan - 190pts

Total unit pts- 190pts

4xSternguard vetran squad 2xcombi melta 2x meltagun 1x powersword - 160pts

Drop pod- 35pts

total unit -195pts

4xSternguard vetran squad 2xcombi melta 2x meltagun 1x powersword - 160pts

Drop pod- 35pts

total unit -195pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with meltagunr and missile launcher - 175pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 210pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant t meltagunr and missile launcher - 175pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 210pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant meltagunr and missile launcher - 175pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 210pts

10 tactical marines Sargeant with powerfist meltagunr and missile launcher - 175pts

Drop pod - 35pts

Total units - 210pts

Land speeder with heavy flamer - 50pts

made changes what you think now?

That's 14 kill points and the are all pretty easy to get. I also think this list doesn't have much more hitting power than the earlier one.

Zaephyr wrote:That's 14 kill points and the are all pretty easy to get. I also think this list doesn't have much more hitting power than the earlier one.

Im sorry but how is the entire army easy kills by that logic theres a lot more armies with easyier stuff to kill.

Ouber wrote:

Zaephyr wrote:That's 14 kill points and the are all pretty easy to get. I also think this list doesn't have much more hitting power than the earlier one.

Im sorry but how is the entire army easy kills by that logic theres a lot more armies with easyier stuff to kill.

Okay, maybe I exaggerated . Stationary drop pods are easily destroyed by fists and meltas provided someone can actually hack through the pod's passengers. My main point was that 14 kill points is plenty, but I guess it is the problem with drop pod lists. Got it?

I'll give you a few tips on things I've learned about my drop pod list

1) Drop pod tacticals are ridiculously vulnerable. They rapid fire first turn they drop, and if they don't kill whatever it is they're shooting at, they will get charged and die a fairly quick and painfuld death

2) The army has a VERY tough time against mechanized assaulty armies, like say berzerkers in rhinos. They're resistant to bolter fire, and if you knock them out of their rhinos fist turn they just assault you next turn

3)it's a really good idea to load up on dreads, preferably ironclads, that can drop in and cause some havoc first turn. These will knock troops out of transports, target the big meanies, and drop twin linked (with vulkan) heavy flamers onto horde to soften them up first turn. AV13 will also make them more resilient.

4)i didn't have much luck with my 1 sternguard squad, but against a bunch of them I could see this list doing some hurt. Use a master of the forge maybe to get them as heavies, and free up elites spots for sternguard

5) if FW stuff is allowed, take deathstom pods. Like...don't even think about it just do it. 2 AC ones and 1 WW launcher one, your opponents won't know what hit them.

6) i liked your first list more than your second. However, fists on captains is a waste of his I5. Relic blades are a much better option.

^^^^^^^^ Thanks

changed the list fully what you think?

Pedro - 175pts

Libraian - 100pts

10x space marine 1x flamer 1x powerfist 1xmissile launcher drop pod - 230pts

10x space marine 1x flamer 1x missile launcher 1x powerfist drop pod - 230pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

1500 pts exact.

Obviosuly this army works on its 1st turn being deverstating.

Put dreads back in the army lol.

Ouber wrote:^^^^^^^^ Thanks

changed the list fully what you think?

Pedro - 175pts

Libraian - 100pts

10x space marine 1x flamer 1x powerfist 1xmissile launcher drop pod - 230pts

10x space marine 1x flamer 1x missile launcher 1x powerfist drop pod - 230pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

7 x stermguard - 5x combi melta - 2x heavy flamer drop pod - 255pts

1500 pts exact.

Obviosuly this army works on its 1st turn being deverstating.

Ya that list is going to be seriously nasty. The heavy flamers are pretty nasty, though I'm not sure if you need 6 of them in your army. Shaving a couple out could make room for terminator armour + SS on your librarian, which makes him ridiculously more survivable. Also consider swapping pedro out for vulkan, as twin linking makes all those melta shots all the more worthwhile (though you lose 3 scoring squads, so it's something to consider)

I've also personally found that multimeltas come in handier than those missile launchers do on the tactical squads.

I'd be interested to see how this list compares with a similar one with 3 ironclads rather than 3 sternguard squads. Might be something to try out, if you have models that could stand in.

Just another point, though the sternguard drop is devastating, you run into troubles when the entire enemy army is in reserves (like in, say, dawn of war)

good point matey