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100 Orks w/ Warboss. Was thinking about putting a Mek with KFF behind them for the cover save. Can Mad Doc Grotsnik join them too? Anyways, we have a large Apocalypse game coming up and wanted to get people's input on whether or not this is an effective unit. Sure would be fun.

   
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On paper, it has a lot of potential.

1 Warboss, 100 Boys (I prefer 'Ard Boys) and a KFF... add in MDG for some real fun.


Of course, blast & Ord templates will carve away at you like nothing.


Eric

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Yes. It was awful (for me, good for the ork). It flanked march. I unloaded on it with a lot of marines and just couldn't do anything to it. To be fair it was old fnp rules, but i imagine it'd still be a beast.

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MDG? <-- NM, figured it out

We're planning on a large Apocalypse battle Orks vs. all comers. To be sure, the blasts will hurt, but with Mad Doc and the KFF, hopefully this will mitigate a lot of wounds.

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Well, first things first, our group of gamers considers a green tide to be many small boyz mobs joined together rather than one giant boys mob, meaning you can have 1 nob per 10 boyz. This is not strictly accurate as per the rules, but on the other hand, is what is shown in the picture attached to the datasheet. We settled on extra nobs, primarily for amusement factor, and also allowed Ghazkull to be used as the leader warboss.

Secondly, a KFF Mek and Mad Doc Grotsnik upgrade the green tide from a bullet magnet to the immovable object. Just watch out for annoying vindicare snipers picking off these crucial members. Big Waaagh asset + Ghazkull means you get a 24" charge range for one turn. Nasty. Sprinkle in additional ork warbosses for added punch. In one game, all that remained was a unit consisting of Ghazkull, Grotsnik and 4 un-named warbosses running around, dishing out hurt, having witnessed the rest of the tide get mown down by Vulcan Megabolter turrets.

Ultimately, a green tide is dead killy, dead 'ard, but just one unit. Make it as large as you can make it, and distract the enemy with it for as long as possible, at least until the realise that the really dangerous parts of the army are those beefy looking bikers zipping up the flank...

Here's the largest tide I've ever used, about 180 models in all:





And here's the casualty pile after 3 turns, along with the guardsman tasked with burning it...




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Hope you don't run into a lash of submission lol.
   
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Dude, any more pictures of that game? Specifically the table? Where was this played at?

Capt K

   
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I played one apoc game against a green tide. It took 3 turns of shooting (no superheavies) to whittle it down to the 17 models that hit my lines. My army was mostly bikers who retreated as they shot.

Also: the whirlwind formation....

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I'm fortunate enough to live a 30 minute walk away from Warhammer World, so we played the game there. A photo gallery of the table can be found here: http://warhammerworld.typepad.com/photos/recovery/index.html
   
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Thanks!

BTW, I have played an APOC game vs. the green tide. The close combat lasted almost the whole game, and finally the Green tide got taken down. It's tougher to kill in close combat, but easy to kill in the shooting phase.

Capt K

   
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I have seen it used before. It was pretty awesome. It had a weirdboy with random powers and it teleported all over the place. It was pretty funny.

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You might be interested in this.


http://orlando40k.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1805&hl=apocalypse


I believe this was the game Capt Karuthors was talking about
   
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GREEN TIDE + TUNNELS STRATEGEM=WIN

   
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WaaaaghLord wrote:GREEN TIDE + TUNNELS STRATEGEM=WIN


OMG that would be funny. Wonder how many units you could tarpit at once?

   
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Wow, I wish CGmandrake had a picture of the mega template over top of that horde. That would be "epic" to say the least.

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Ifurita wrote:We're planning on a large Apocalypse battle Orks vs. all comers. To be sure, the blasts will hurt, but with Mad Doc and the KFF, hopefully this will mitigate a lot of wounds.


Actually, he SHOULDN'T help THAT much.
Any opponent worth his salt is going to focus template, blast & ord weapons on you, taking out 8+ models at a time... because he's going to focus on you with weapons that don't give you an armor save. No armor = no FNP.

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
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WaaaaghLord wrote:GREEN TIDE + TUNNELS STRATEGEM=WIN


I'm not sure that would work.
Could you fit 100+ Orks in a 12" diameter circle?

Remember that they come on from the tunnel as if it was a table edge... that means they have to move 6" away from it (no more). You can't run them until shooting, so they all have to be on the table at the end of your move.

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
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Anyone try Da Green Tide with Mad Doc and cybork bodies? Hell of an expensive unit but with a 5+ invulnerable save and FNP.

   
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MagickalMemories wrote:Any opponent worth his salt is going to focus template, blast & ord weapons on you, taking out 8+ models at a time... because he's going to focus on you with weapons that don't give you an armor save. No armor = no FNP.
Eric


I thought you got FNP unless it was AP 1 or 2. So, while the boyz wouldn't get an armor save against battlecannons or whirlwinds, they would still get FNP. Right?

100 boyz with Cybork bodies is 500 points, iirc. I'd rather have a looted baneblade. Heck, that's almost enough points for another Green Tide.

Attaching Grostnik to the unit is just wrong. And since it's APOC, you could take 2 (or more) combos of - Warboss + 100 boyz + Grostnik.

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I re-looked FNP last night and you only get it if you fail an armor save, in addition to the restrictions above. So, with a base save of 6+, they probably aren't getting much of a save anyways. May just get the big mek with KFF to follow them around.

   
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Awesome pics... haven't seen this done, but would be awesome in person!
   
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dietrich wrote:Attaching Grostnik to the unit is just wrong. And since it's APOC, you could take 2 (or more) combos of - Warboss + 100 boyz + Grostnik.


Well, it's been a while since I've played an Apoc game, or looked over the book.
If memory serves, though, each person can only take a named character ONCE (or, maybe each SIDE can only take him once?).
This means you can't attach Grotsnik twice.


Ifurita wrote:I re-looked FNP last night and you only get it if you fail an armor save, in addition to the restrictions above. So, with a base save of 6+, they probably aren't getting much of a save anyways. May just get the big mek with KFF to follow them around.


If you're going to be playing The Green Tide (IMO), you should go ahead and pay the extra 400 points for 'Ard Boys. that 4+ save is worth the points (when you get it). It'll keep you from losing boys to AP5 & AP6 slingshots.

... or, you can just run a bunch of 30 strong grot squads as meat shields & string them in a circle around the mob. LOL

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
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FNP works unless the shooting weapon is AP 1 or 2, or the melee weapon ignores armor saves, or if the Str is 2x your base toughness.

You still get it on a Sv6+ ork who gets shot with a bolter by a tac marine. You don't get it on plasma (AP2), or battle cannons (Str 8) or Power Swords (ignores armor.) You also do get a FNP on autocannons, heavy bolters and scatter lasers.


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In APOC, you can do anything, including taking multiples of Unique Items. It might be viewed as cheap and cheesy, but it is allowable - because in APOC, anything can go! (I think that I'd rather see multiple Grostnks than Flank Marching Titans). I remember someone all excited because they were able to use all 8 Kharns that they owned.

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Cybork bodies would only be an extra 100 points over 'ard boyz, if I did lean in that direction. In any case, the Apoc game we're setting up has house rules that 2/3's of the points must fit into the Force Org Chart (per player). The remaining 1/3 points can be spent on assets, units over FOC, Apocaplyse formations, etc.

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I used one once, last time I ever will

Ran 120 boyz across into an SM gunline, engaged about 50 marines in one charge.

went outside for a ciggerette and agreed to toss a coin for it rather than work out the combat.

I lost, I wasn't fussed

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The only time I saw the green tide used it didn't go well for the ork players. The tide was more or less a line accross the board and the Marines managed to get terminators and CC scouts(or assault marines I cant remember) on one end of the line of orks. The nobz were too far away to attack with the power klaws and the marines managed to win by about 15-20 efectivly killing half of the tide in one round of combat. By the next round the tide was all but dead.
   
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i used it once. i knew from the start it wasnt gonna be good for me when i saw the baneblades, titans, and all of those guys with blast weapons. its just too big of a target to use. it also destroyed my mobility on the board. and what i mean by my mobility is just being able to move my guys in more than just one direction. i want to beable to hit more than just one flank with my army. its better to just use lots of 30 man squads so if alot of fire does get poured into the group, the most i can lose is 30 green monkies while the rest of my army will probably live long enough with enough to win. i would rather the enemy have lots of targets for the enemy to worry about rather than one big target because his only priority is the green tide. the only thing that could make this green tide work would be a mad dok and get FNP but whats the point, the enemy is gonna probably have baneblades, lots of leman russes, basilks, or something with a large blast template that can still wipe out alot of orks and make FNP worthless. if you want a massive ork army, squeeze every little point you get into every green monkey you can get. thatll be my two cents for this thread.
   
 
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