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I have been playtesting a list I built on the advice of members here, and it is pretty good. It is lacking in a few areas and I had a thought that I would like critiqued.

Old list variants:

30 slugga boyz, 3 rokkits - nob bp, pk
30 shoota boyz, 3 rokkits - nob bp, pk
Worked ok, but stopping the sluugas to shoot was suicidal and 3 rokkits didn't help much

30 slugga boyz - nob bp, pk
30 shoota boyz, 3 bs - nob bp, pk
deff kopta with tlr
Worked better, but the kopta got shot up too easily before it dealt with armor

30 slugga boyz - nob bp, pk
30 shoota boyz, 2 bs - nob bp, pk
killa kan with rokkits
The best build of the 3. It usually got its rokkits of and dealt with the threat it was added for before getting killed. It added the side benefit of allowing my sluggas to get to the troops nearly unscathed. I still had trouble with artillery and armor.

New build:
15 Lootas
30 sluggas - nob bp, pk
killa kan with kmb

Should this be more effective? I know I lose a good bit of cc ability be replacing shootas with lootas, but I hope to keep the kan hidden and inching towards the enemy while the lootas are shooting, taking kmb shots and using cover. After the dust setles, it should be able to mop up with fire support from the remaining lootas.

Is this a better build?

Without testing it, it sounds ok. 1 killa kan is iffy at best, but @ 500pts, it might work.
I am not sure about just 30 boyz, but I am guessing the kan will draw most of the fire and allow the unit to arrive intact. If you get the bulk of the 30 boyz stuck in, not many 500pt armies can touch you, especially after being softened up by the lootas and the kans kmb.

Interesting...

Anyone have advice or thought on the last build as compared to the first?

Anyone?
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Whats the FOC you're using?

What is FOC?

Anybody? I really nned thoughts on replacing the shootas with lootas.

Prophet was asking what Force Orginaization Chart you're using, because you seem to be lacking your HQ, and are planning to remove your 2nd mandatory Troops choice for an Elites.

The default FOQ is, of course, the mandatory 1 HQ, 2 Troops.

I see. I knew the definition, just not the acronym.
It is combat patrol, so no hq required, only 1 troop required.

I can go with any of these 2, please comment and let me know your thoughts:
1
30 slugga boyz - nob bp, pk
30 shoota boyz, 2 bs - nob bp, pk
killa kan with rokkits

2
15 Lootas
30 sluggas - nob bp, pk
killa kan with kmb
I think the lootas would shoot up enough in a 500 point game to more than make up for pulling the shoota squad. The can will hopefully kmb any armor that is fielded (can't be much, again 500pts) and it can shoot up the nobs and warboss vs. the blackreach orks.

3 Killa Kans (Rokkits) @ 150
3 Killa Kans (Rokkits) @ 150
3 Killa Kans (Grotzookas) @ 135?

18 Gretchin + Runtherd @ 64

499 points of lol xD

Now seriously, ummm, I'd take those Boyz as Shootas on the 2nd list. Every time I take Sluggas on foot it seems like I could have done more/taken less damage if I had shootas.

PS: Haha, a 9 walker combat patrol

lmao. I wouldn't make many friends with that list.

So
30 shootas - 3 bs nob bp pk
14 lootas
killa kan with kmb
I assume replacing 1 loota with 3 big shootas is a good idea...
Should be solid with all comers?
I am a lil worried about the boss/nob squads and deff koptas/sm dreadnaughts, but between the lootas and the kmb kan, that should be not such a big issue, correct?

Yea, playtest that, should be fine. Umm, should you be worried about Land Raiders? Or something with a lot of armour? If so maybe you could drop 3 Lootas and get another Kan with a rokkit. 2 Kans firing at BS3 is a guaranteed hit statistically. Plus he'd have more problems shooting both Kans while you bumrush the big tank.

I usually run 10-12 Lootas in 1k games and find it ok.

If you can, at 500 pts...

2 x 20 shootas- 2bs, nob bp, PK
1 x killa can
?? Lootas.

At 500 pts, i think 14 lootas is alot and that is what I want to kill on you anyways... Reduce their number so that they are there supporting you but not dominating your list.

20 boyz should be more than adequate and getting back a 2nd Nob with a PK is worth it.

Without the codex, I am suggesting 10 more boys, 1 more big shoota and the additional nob. That is 105 points. so if 7 lootas is still a legal unit, that should be good to go. That makes them a support force rather than THE killer force in your list. Boss/nobz are not going to like facing two units of boyz. One unit just makes it easy... my 10 nobz vs your 30 boyz. I charge, you lose. Two units means even if he hits first and wins, your second unit should be able to shoot and charge in on him.

I am play testing this for a 500pt combat patrol game:
1 Deff Dredd - 2dccw, ha
3 killa kan - tlr
30 shootas - 3 bs, nob bp,pk

This is, at this point, more devastating than the loota build. I played 4 games with te loota build and and went 4-0 vs eldar, sm,sm,csm. I takes an extra turn before the bodies start piling up with this list, but boy do they pile up.

It is more solid vs sm imo. The loota build with 2 kans is probably the best all comers list, though? Opinions on that?

btw, i hit the codex and you would get 7 lootas with the 2 x 20 shoota 1 kan build. I kan is iffy.

I popped armor with the 3 kans pretty easily. The dredd made it to cc 2 out of 4 games. When he didn't, all three kans did once and two made it once. The shoota boyz went virtually untouched slogging behind them and shooting. The mopped up quite nicely, inigo. Try that build and see what you think.

I am working with this list:

26 X Shootas, 3 BS, Nob bp pk
10 X Lootas
2 X Killa Kan tlr

It is play testing well in my limited environment.
I like the idea of 3 X kans with tlr, a dredd with 2dccw and 30 boys, though. In a 500 point game I think that would be REALLY hard to beat.

I haven't seen any templates dropped while playtesting, and that kinda worries me because I don't know how it will play against an army that drops them. I think with the loota build I can at least shoot the artillery up with lootas and rokkits...

Umm, your numbers aren't right

30 X Shootas, 3 BS, Nob bp pk @ 235 Pts
11 X Lootas @ 165
2 X Killa Kan tlr @ 100

Now they are.

It is working very well. I just playtested vs sm, csm, and a blackreach ork list. 3-0

The blackreach list was actually the hardest to deal with. My lootas were pounding the boss and his nobs and the shootas were pounding their boys. I took out the deff koptas fairly easily with the kans, but the boss and 2 nobs killed both kans. By the time their sluggas made it to my boys, they were easy pickings.

The remainder of my shootas (19 counting nob) after finishing his boys off finished the boss. I lost 2 kans, 14 shootas, and 0 lootas.

vs sm my cans just decimated them. They were so concerned (rightfully) with the lootas that they virtually ignored the kans.

csm was pretty straightforward as well. I popper the land raider with the kans, he got both of the kans, and my lootas and shootas pounded what was left until my shootas got in cc and finished them.

I see no value in working with the 3kan, deffdredd, 30 shoota list when this works so well.

Well, as a whole through playtesting the list is 7-2.
The problem I have is my lootas getting flanked. Both my losses involved the lootas getting squashed.

I don't know if I should accept this as an inherent weakness of the build or try to do something to prevent it. I don't have any idea what something is, but I might want to consider doing it. (?)

in combat patrol you can only take vehicles with 33 (or 34) or less armour value how'd you vs a land raider??

We were playtesting at my house and I really didn't care what he played as long as it was a 500pt army.

He pulled out an army that did give me fits:
Big Mek kff cybork
20 shootas - 2 bs, nob bp pk
30 shootas - 3 bs, nob bp pk

I would thing that my build would roll over that army, but he gave me fits. I wnt 2-2 against it.

This list *should* easily handle that, no? I just think I am misplaying my list for him to split the games with me.

Inigo Montoya wrote:We were playtesting at my house and I really didn't care what he played as long as it was a 500pt army.

He pulled out an army that did give me fits:
Big Mek kff cybork
20 shootas - 2 bs, nob bp pk
30 shootas - 3 bs, nob bp pk

I would thing that my build would roll over that army, but he gave me fits. I wnt 2-2 against it.

This list *should* easily handle that, no? I just think I am misplaying my list for him to split the games with me.

Not really... Actually you're at a disadvantage against it, since your Kans have rokkits which do nothing to that. He has almost twice the number of shootas but he gets a +5 cover save. I'd sit in the back behind good cover and fire away at the 20 Boyz if possible until they retreat, then when you get assaulted, suck it up and throw everything at him.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:We were playtesting at my house and I really didn't care what he played as long as it was a 500pt army.

He pulled out an army that did give me fits:
Big Mek kff cybork
20 shootas - 2 bs, nob bp pk
30 shootas - 3 bs, nob bp pk

I would thing that my build would roll over that army, but he gave me fits. I wnt 2-2 against it.

This list *should* easily handle that, no? I just think I am misplaying my list for him to split the games with me.

Not really... Actually you're at a disadvantage against it, since your Kans have rokkits which do nothing to that. He has almost twice the number of shootas but he gets a +5 cover save. I'd sit in the back behind good cover and fire away at the 20 Boyz if possible until they retreat, then when you get assaulted, suck it up and throw everything at him.

That is how I won twice - I made the remenants of his 20 squad run and had a kan left when the assaulted. The lootas got 1 turn of shots on them before they assaulted and that was enough to soften them up for my boys.

If it weren't for armor, I would probably run that list. I am afraid that as an all comers league list it will not do as well as the loota build.
Since we have to announce our army before the game starts, I am debating putting grotzookas on the kans vs orks. I can put armor on one of the kans with the 10 points I get back.

Well, if you can change the loadout before every game then yes, put grotzookas on both.