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What happens? I had a unit in cc and they lost the tyrant. Do they suddenly become non-fearless? I wasn't sure entirely (and it didn't matter that much...they were wiped out next assault phase). But just in case something like that happens again...what do I do?

Fire them for being bloody poor bodyguards?

How the heck did that happen, and what rips up a tyrant and guard in HtH??

1) Nids technically aren't fearless (to their benifit) they just pass all ld checks or something like that (i thought they were fearless till i assulted a squad once)

2) What Happens if the Tyrant dies? - If the guard are in synapse range still (not sure if they need it or not) then they pass ld and continue slogging it out, however if they are not I would assume they have to follow normal testing with their base stat ld (dont have rulebook on me).

3) Whay could whip a Tyrant? - Th/SS Terminators, Powerfist SM (assume lucky to be alive), Death Company, Librarian's Force Wep, Dread....probably other stuff as well.

It doesn't specifically say that tyrant guard do not need synapse, so they would need it, or need to test at their lead if they were out of range... but I don't think they would disappear

When that happens the guard evolve into Carnyfexes wit crushing claws, scything talons, toxin sacs, regeneration and extended carapaches :S

Lukus83 wrote:What happens? I had a unit in cc and they lost the tyrant. Do they suddenly become non-fearless? I wasn't sure entirely (and it didn't matter that much...they were wiped out next assault phase). But just in case something like that happens again...what do I do?

Tyrant Guard are not Fearless so if their Tyrant dies they will have to take IB tests at their Ld10 if they are not within Synapse range at the start of their turn.

It should be a pretty rare occurrence for the Tyrant to die first because they do fully form a unit together so even in close combat all wounds done to the unit are spread between the Guard and the Tyrant at the Tyranid player's will, which means you should always be putting the nasty wounds on the Guard and leaving the saveable wounds on the Tyrant.

Of course bad luck can always strike. . .which I'm assuming is what happened to you?

What??? I assumed it was shooting only. Damn that IG player. Next time he won't be so lucky.

Oh, and it was an IG command squad that took me out. Lots of powerfists w/ another squad of 10 men to take the hits. Apparently I couldn't attack back at his IC's because of some bodyguard rule for his commissar. Is that right?

And yes I was also unlucky...his priest, commissar and heroic officer between them hit and wounded with 7 powerfist attacks. I have never seen so many 4+'s rolled.

No bodyguard rule is in the ig codex. They form a retnue. The only thing the commisar will do is kill the commander if he fails a moral test. Did he take a Ld check to charge you?

Lukus83 wrote:And yes I was also unlucky...his priest, commissar and heroic officer between them hit and wounded with 7 powerfist attacks. I have never seen so many 4+'s rolled.

Yep, so say you had two Tyrant Guard that means you could farm 5 of those powerfist wounds out to the Guard and only suffer two on your Tyrant.

Generally the only way you should ever lose a Tyrant before the Guard is if you get really, really unlucky on the armor saves for the wounds you do assign to the Tyrant.

Hmmm, there's some things here that aren't quite sitting right with me.

Casper wrote:1) Nids technically aren't fearless (to their benifit) they just pass all ld checks or something like that (i thought they were fearless till i assulted a squad once)

I wouldn't put money on it, but I was quite confident that nids in range of synapse were effectively fearless, or atleast, while their rule extends to more tests than the fearless rule does, they will still suffer things such as No Retreat! wounds.

Lukus83 wrote:What??? I assumed it was shooting only. Damn that IG player. Next time he won't be so lucky.

Oh, and it was an IG command squad that took me out. Lots of powerfists w/ another squad of 10 men to take the hits. Apparently I couldn't attack back at his IC's because of some bodyguard rule for his commissar. Is that right?

I'm not sure what you thought was shooting only, but if it's wound allocation like I think, it was probably because he believed the Hive Tyrant to be an IC, however he is not, and even if he was, a bodyguard/retinue overrides that, and makes it impossible to single out the IC in melee.

The rule that he cited as preventing you from singleing out his command squad ICs applies equally to any unit with a retinue, the commisar isn't even an IC unless you take the special rule "Independant Commisars" for your army. Essentially what it boils down to is neither of you could single out the enemies models.

IG players these days. they dont need to cheat!

I was referring to allocating shooting attacks. I know that even though a tyrant is an MC it cant be targetted if it has a retinue, but I thought he could still be targetted individually in cc. My mistake. Thanks for the correction Drunkspleen and Yakface. I'm new to using guard w/ my tyrant...I usually go for a flyrant.

At least next time I can take him on a fair footing...next monday he's mine!!

zogrot could turn him into a squig and the guards would probably be wondering if they should eat it or not.

mrdabba wrote:zogrot could turn him into a squig and the guards would probably be wondering if they should eat it or not.

Sorry my friend, Zogworts curse can only target Independent Characters which a Hive Tyrant never is.

I may have missed someone posting it, but Gift of Chaos picks specific models.
So there is another way of picking out a Hive Tyrant.

Belphegor wrote:I may have missed someone posting it, but Gift of Chaos picks specific models.
So there is another way of picking out a Hive Tyrant.

Yes, and there is the Vindicare, Telion, etc, etc.

Its not impossible, just unlikely to happen in normal circumstances.