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This came up in a game with a friend of mine. If an ordinance barrage weapon is fired using the direct fire rules does it still cause pinning? Under the rules for ordinance barrage weapons the rulebook states that ordinance barrage weapons can be fired as barrage weapons or directly using the normal rules for direct fire ordinance. However it doesn't cover the question of does it still cause pinning? The weapon still has the profile of a barrage weapon but is being fire using the ordinance rules. Which takes precedence? The barrage weapon type or the direct fire ordinance rules?

Kroeger wrote:This came up in a game with a friend of mine. If an ordinance barrage weapon is fired using the direct fire rules does it still cause pinning? Under the rules for ordinance barrage weapons the rulebook states that ordinance barrage weapons can be fired as barrage weapons or directly using the normal rules for direct fire ordinance. However it doesn't cover the question of does it still cause pinning? The weapon still has the profile of a barrage weapon but is being fire using the ordinance rules. Which takes precedence? The barrage weapon type or the direct fire ordinance rules?

The barrage weapon type gives it two options: direct fire or indirect fire. Indirect fire includes the pinning rules, direct fire does not. To my knowledge the rules do not conflict with each other.

If you are firing it as a direct-fire, it is an ordinance weapon, if firing indirectly, it is ordinance-barrage.
I believe it is the barrage (indirect) fire that gives the pinning effect.

I've not got a rulebook to hand, but I believe that it's the Barrage status of the weapon which gives it the ability to pin. It would therefore cause pinning however you choose to fire it, even if you choose to fire it directly.

This may not be RAI, but i think it is RAW. Can anyone clarify?

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Actually ordnance barrage weapons got two fire modes as described on page 58.

Either they can fire exactly as a normal ordnance weapon.
In this case they can move and fire, have no minimum range, count cover normally (ie from the firer to the target), are not pinning and can't fire at targets they can't draw LOS to.

Or they can fire using the barrage weapon rules meaning they can't move and fire, may have a minimum range, count cover from the centre hole of the blast marker, are pinning with a -1 modifier and may opt to fire at targets they can't draw LOS to.

It's worth mentioning that they can fire in barrage mode but still fire at targets they can draw LOS to (meaning scattering only 2D6-BS)

ArbitorIan wrote:I've not got a rulebook to hand, but I believe that it's the Barrage status of the weapon which gives it the ability to pin. It would therefore cause pinning however you choose to fire it, even if you choose to fire it directly.

This may not be RAI, but i think it is RAW. Can anyone clarify?

That was my assesment as well. I reviewed the rules and a weapon is of type barrage, which also grants pinning. That means barrage weapons also have the 'pinning' ability. The later rules which address direct fire versus indirect fire don't change the weapons basic type outlined earlier. It is still a pinning weapon, even if fired directly.

So the ork unit that wasn't there anymore should have been pinned?

They were all pinned to the ground with shrapnel from my perspective.

BRB pg 58.
" If fired directly at the target, they are treated exactly like normal ordinance weapons...."
No pinning when firing as ordinance.
yes pinning when firing as barrage.