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Hi all

I am starting work on my final list for adepticon. I have a few here, each with different strengths and weaknesses. Each are 1850. Please vote on which one you feel is most competitive vs. all comers.

These are based off of the 1750 list I was running, and like a LOT, basically list one minus the council and Yriel, plus Maugen Ra.

List One
Eldrad
5 Warlocks 1 enhance
Yriel

10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
8 Pathfinders

Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
1849
There is a lot to be said about the HQ choices in one bundle. I fear not enough anti tank in the lords. At 1750 the 21 st 6 shots deal with most tanks you find at the points size. I am worrying that upping the points level will mess with that some.

List Two
Eldrad
Maugen Ra

10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
9 Pathfinders

Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 2 flamers bright lance, missle launcher
Wraithlord - 2 flamers bright lance, missle launcher
1843
A compromise, basically another pathfinder (I dont think that is worth the points really, but it fits) an original Lord plus two BL ML lords. I do not like making the lords have different weapons, because I believe you have to make your opponent make an impossible choice. My favorite Nidzilla list is 6 113 point Carnies.
As a note - I dont take Shining Spears, so don't bother suggesting it. Not to be rude or anything I just don't think they are worth it, even if they were free. I like the attacks from the WS.

List three
Eldrad
Farseer - RoWitnessing Spirit Stones, Guide Fortune
5 Warlocks 1 enhance 1 embolden 3 destructor

10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
7 Pathfinders

Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 2 flamers scatter laser, shuriken cannon
1840
I DO like the additional psychic powers here. Again, might not be anti tank enough.

List four
Eldrad
Farseer - RoWitnessing Spirit Stones, Guide Fortune

10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Wraithguard - Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Pathfinders

Wraithlord - 2 flamers bright lance, missle launcher
Wraithlord - 2 flamers bright lance, missle launcher
Wraithlord - 2 flamers bright lance, missle launcher
1842
A really potent army, but very low in numbers. I feel pathfinders are best at 8 though, so the points spent on 10 might be wasted, but there is no other room.

Thank you for any help!

Poll added along with more lists to make it more interesting.

BumP.......

I was just wondering why Eldrad is in every list.... If the tourney you are going to rates army comp I think he will be a big negative... Yriel on the other had is not out of place in a list like this.


That being said I think the fourth list is the most competitive, you will have one well of a time beating long rang tanks like fire prism and basalisks.

I didn't really think Eldrad was that overpowered. He is very efficient for the points cost, and if you are going to take a seer, you might as well take him (which is why he is in every list). I dont consider him 2 lash sort of power and infamy, but I could be wrong.

Yes Yriel is very fitting fluffwise. Making him fit into the army is hard. I love maugen because he is just another crapload of st6 shots, and he is very good in combat (which makes up for the guards mediocrity). Im also thinking of just giving the two spirit seers enhance instead of conceal. I have done that once before, you have to be a LOT more careful, but then the 20 WG with eldrad and maugen just own. I think he is like Initiative 8, and people get surprised to fight I5 guard.

Thank you very much for the help

How come your are wraithguard troops???

@ Sternguard_rock-units of 10 can become troops

I like the last list, balanced and tough. Don't worry about being outnumbered as they have the guns to take out most hordes and MEQ's. Do watch out and plan for a gun duel at some point and figure a way to get over there pronto!

Da Blak Gobbo wrote:@ Sternguard_rock-units of 10 can become troops

I like the last list, balanced and tough. Don't worry about being outnumbered as they have the guns to take out most hordes and MEQ's. Do watch out and plan for a gun duel at some point and figure a way to get over there pronto!

Thanks for the help, and the encouragement. The last list makes me worry about hoardes, but then again, I think hoardey armies are going to be what everyone is gunning for, so my massive toughness and good saves will help.

Too bad WG arent fleet!

Split the pathfinders if thier a 10man squad. 2 wounds do cause a moral check but then 3 wounds on the singular 10man causes the same moral check for all 10. They do well at MSU w/ a 2+ cover save.

GMMStudios wrote:I didn't really think Eldrad was that overpowered. He is very efficient for the points cost, and if you are going to take a seer, you might as well take him (which is why he is in every list). I dont consider him 2 lash sort of power and infamy, but I could be wrong.

Yes Yriel is very fitting fluffwise. Making him fit into the army is hard. I love maugen because he is just another crapload of st6 shots, and he is very good in combat (which makes up for the guards mediocrity). Im also thinking of just giving the two spirit seers enhance instead of conceal. I have done that once before, you have to be a LOT more careful, but then the 20 WG with eldrad and maugen just own. I think he is like Initiative 8, and people get surprised to fight I5 guard.

Thank you very much for the help

Yes, eldrad will get you a big comp ding, its just a knee jerk reaction, but it does happen.

Few other points for your lists:
1) Runes of witnessing actually increase the chance of perils of the warp happening, and negligibly increase your chance to get the power off, don't bother with them
2) Two HQ's isn't needed IMO, they suck up points, and they add in another KP to the list. If eldrad sits in the main walking block he can fortune both and still have another power left to use.
3) Pathfinders just aren't good nowadays. With the ease of getting a coversave (esp. nidzilla, see: tiered cover save nonsense) and the response of most players of "well I'll bring more flamers then!" Pathfinders just aren't survivable like they used to be, and really lack the punch they once had, esp. at 24 points per fellow.

All of your lists I feel either lack AT severely or lack AI severely, both of which are important nowadays. I changed it up a bit and added my "version" below and tried to stick as closely as I could to your Iyanden theme. If you like it great, if not its just a suggestion . In this you have plenty of AT, decent AI, and a mobile scoring unit (which is important for objective based missions). I realize dire avengers aren't the fluffiest choice for Iyanden, but then again, neither are path finders. I left in 133 free points for you to use as you see fit, or to drop a couple DA's to make room for Yriel or Avatar as a CC punch to protect your wraithguard from a dedicated CC unit. The waveserpent has an EML to save points, and to be used for anti-horde when needed. Besides, the BL is marginally better against AV13 and better against AV 14, not too of the most common armor types, and you've got 20 wraithcannons + 3 wraithlords with guns.

HQ
Eldrad

Troop
10 Wraithguard -Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Wraithguard -Spirit Seer Conceal
10 Dire Avengers
Transport -- Wave Serpent with TL EML, Spirit Stones

Heavy Support
Wraithlord - 2x Flamer, EML, BL
Wraithlord - 2x Flamer, EML, BL
Wraithlord - 2x Flamer, EML, BL

Total - 1717

Targetawg-

Thank you very much for the suggestions. I do realize that each lends itself much more towards AT or AI, but I really dont like to mix loadouts on the lords. I explained that one before though.

The pathfinders I agree arent perfect, but they ARE a troops choice, and short of flamers they are another very hard nut to crack.

Also, if I may say so, you are wrong about Dire Avengers vs. Pathfinders fluffwise. Avengers are an aspect, while Pathfinders are wanderers who wave no flag, and their loss does not mean loss to Iyanden.

As for your list, the single HQ is different, and I might have to run with that. Eldrad may be adequate, but at 1750 I found Ra added a lot of fighting power Eldrad lacked. I was thinking another seer with more powers would do the same.

The only thing I dont like is that there is a single tank. Im of the spam camp, and you spam like things. If I put a tank in an eldar army everything is in a tank. As it stands that WS is going to eat all the anti tank in the enemy army. It WILL take priority over the high toughness lords because of speed.

I see where you are going though and it is a predicament I hit too. I have found you just cant put tanks in this sort of list because you cant put the wraithguard in any, so you cant be fully mounted.

Thank you very much for all the help!

oh thats awesome i wanna make an eldar army now