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Orikan the Diviner now does everything I used to use an Overlord for better than the Overlord used to do it, and I still haven’t found a new niche to use Overlords in.

Nightbringer, with the god shackle and two crypteks. Love the model can see his strenghts but kinda want some clarification.

So I guess I don't see it in some ways, is he a shooting draw, is he to charge or to shoot?

I'm thinking if I have a couple of units of wraiths, god shackle formation and some ABs I'm thinking unit synergy what can the god shackle normally accomplish.

I'm the fella who recently faced 3 dreadnights, could he have taken on one of them?

I've had a God Shackled Nightbringer kill two Dreadknights one after the other even without the Conclave formation.

The Nightbringer is hands down the best MC hunter in the game. Undeniable psychic shriek , can be used in CC. Then AP2 fleshbane with 4 attack. 4+ invuln and eternal warrior.

His only problem is speed. If you try to chase one of the dreadknights you won't get it, but if it comes near you it dies. Watch out for bolter though, C'tan are vulnerable to small arms fire.

harkequin wrote:
Watch out for bolter though, C'tan are vulnerable to small arms fire.

And that's what makes the God Shackle so wonderful.

S8 means instant death to some things and a slightly harder punch against vehicles, which is cool I guess.

But really, it's for that magical T8 status that renders small arms worthless. Makes it much more survivable against most armies.

Yeah T8 with a 4+ invuln is crazy good shame he can't get Reanimation lol.

Of course you have an extra two wounds on top with his cryptek buddies at T8 in the formation making 6 wounds, the more I hear about it the more I like it!

What is this god shackle that you speak of?

xghostmakerx wrote:
What is this god shackle that you speak of?

The God Shackle is an item you can take from the Mephrit Dynasty - Relics of the War in Heaven, which is sourced from the 'Shield of Baal: Exterminatus' book (mostly blood angels stuff, but there are a few pages of necron things).

Only a cryptek can equip the item. The item gives + 1S and +1T to a c'tan shard you choose and only for as long as the cryptek carrying the item is alive.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Yeah T8 with a 4+ invuln is crazy good shame he can't get Reanimation lol.

Of course you have an extra two wounds on top with his cryptek buddies at T8 in the formation making 6 wounds, the more I hear about it the more I like it!

8 wounds. Crypteks have two wounds each.

Oh, and effectively adding a 12 inch assault 6 AP3 gun, which is good because you're going to be turn one deep striking it for maximum chaos.

Ok I'm convinced that I do really need to try out the God Shackle formation, but I don't know what to drop. Need 235 points gone to get the two crypteks in there.

I'm thinking the ideal Cryptek load outs are:

Cryptek 1: God Shackle, Solar Staff, Phase Shifter - 125
Cryptek 2: Veil of Darkness, Phase Shifter - 110

I know that I could kill 25 points to get them on a 5++ vs shooting only but I don't feel that's worth it. So my list that has been working excellently:

Orikan
Destroyer Lord w/Nightmare Shroud, Phase Shifter, Res Orb, Warscythe, Phylactery

Nightbringer

10 Warriors w/Ghost Ark
5 Immortals w/Night Scythe, Fighter Ace

6 Wraiths w/whip coils
6 Wraiths w/whip coils
6 Wraiths w/whip coils

Obviously the phylactery and fighter ace are unnecessary, so that's 50 points right there. Dropping the ghost ark and turning those guys into just immortals would net me another 150, but I'm still 35 short....I guess dropping a single wraith would probably do it....I don't know if it's better to have the conclave or the obsec GA and another wraith though.

Why would you want the chronometron when you already have phase shifters?

Don't forget that the C'tan shard gets a 5+ FNP and you have two crypteks in there that are giving each other a 4+RP even vs ID

 Tyran wrote:
Why would you want the chronometron when you already have phase shifters?

He'll just not have been thinking clearly.

Seriously though, is there a serious role for vanilla custom Overlords outside a Decurion? Because I'm just not seeing one a different HQ can't do better.

changemod wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Why would you want the chronometron when you already have phase shifters?

He'll just not have been thinking clearly.

Seriously though, is there a serious role for vanilla custom Overlords outside a Decurion? Because I'm just not seeing one a different HQ can't do better.

Running one with a warscythe or voidreaper in a unit of lychguard to take down an MC or knight?

Sorry if I was unclear. I meant that I could save 25 points on the crypteks by running a single chronomeron instead of the two phase shifters, but I don't think it's worth it. Maybe it that was the difference between getting another wraith in there or not

OK that is 8 wounds holy fething zombie jesus.

It sounds unkillable - what do you have to watch out for? Just massed fire I'm guessing.

Ffyllotek wrote:

changemod wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Why would you want the chronometron when you already have phase shifters?

He'll just not have been thinking clearly.

Seriously though, is there a serious role for vanilla custom Overlords outside a Decurion? Because I'm just not seeing one a different HQ can't do better.

Running one with a warscythe or voidreaper in a unit of lychguard to take down an MC or knight?

Honestly though I'd just take Orikan with Lychguard. Buffs either variety and is only a little weaker in person before his ancient spirits of evil schtick kicks in. Cheaper than fully kitting an Overlord too.

I have been taking Voidreaper on Destroyer Lords though.

My standard set up for the Conclave is

Nightbringer
Cryptek w/ Solar Staff, Chronometron
Cryptek w/ Veil of Darkness , God Shackles

And when I wanna be super crazy I add Solar Thermite. I've never not wrecked face with it.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
OK that is 8 wounds holy fething zombie jesus.

It sounds unkillable - what do you have to watch out for? Just massed fire I'm guessing.

Imperial Knights.

I've got a feeling that it would munch an IK as if they don't get the charge its 3 attacks and only a possible D. Wounding on 2s but you've got the 4+ invuln and the 6+ feel no pain.

Yeah you should watch out for Imperial Knights , you do however have a 1/6 chance to get that Strength D shot, then another 1/6 to kill it outright maybe.

Not good Odds.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
OK that is 8 wounds holy fething zombie jesus.

It sounds unkillable - what do you have to watch out for? Just massed fire I'm guessing.

Poison.

In CC though you have more attacks and are more likely to hit, and he has no save where you do.

Doesn't have armorbane though - only fleshbane. Sadly you can't take a warscythe on a Cryptek. Anyone toyed around with making a super royal court of sorts? Throw in some IC with the Nightbringer conclave, put a nightmare shroud on somebody, maybe throw Orikan in there....whole squad is T8 no matter what if I'm reading it correctly

You can't join IC to the conclave.

And that's why I have had that thought before and nothing came of it. Whoops

How are people using Zandrekhs warlord traits?? Looking through the BRB, I see few that are applicable ( the majority are first turn only) . Re-rolling 1's for a turn of shooting is brutal I will give him that.

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
How are people using Zandrekhs warlord traits?? Looking through the BRB, I see few that are applicable ( the majority are first turn only) . Re-rolling 1's for a turn of shooting is brutal I will give him that.

About half the tactical ones are useful to get VPs in maelstrom, both re-roll 1 traits from command are awesome, and from personal traits he can give himself fearless and IWND, making his unit unable to be swept.

Also remember he can keep a trait for as many subsequent turns as he wants, the only restriction is he can't go back to one that he previously discarded.


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Jaq Draco lives wrote:
OK that is 8 wounds holy fething zombie jesus.

It sounds unkillable - what do you have to watch out for? Just massed fire I'm guessing.

S8 will ID the crypeks despite only wounding on 4s, so you need to keep the C'Tan nearest to heavy firepower. A vindicare could be a decent counter so watch out for them, because it could kill the shackle tek in one shot.

Tekron wrote:

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
How are people using Zandrekhs warlord traits?? Looking through the BRB, I see few that are applicable ( the majority are first turn only) . Re-rolling 1's for a turn of shooting is brutal I will give him that.

About half the tactical ones are useful to get VPs in maelstrom, both re-roll 1 traits from command are awesome, and from personal traits he can give himself fearless and IWND, making his unit unable to be swept.

Also remember he can keep a trait for as many subsequent turns as he wants, the only restriction is he can't go back to one that he previously discarded.


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Jaq Draco lives wrote:
OK that is 8 wounds holy fething zombie jesus.

It sounds unkillable - what do you have to watch out for? Just massed fire I'm guessing.

S8 will ID the crypeks despite only wounding on 4s, so you need to keep the C'Tan nearest to heavy firepower. A vindicare could be a decent counter so watch out for them, because it could kill the shackle tek in one shot.

The crypteks use the C'tan's toughness in all cases.

Oberron wrote:

Tekron wrote:


S8 will ID the crypeks despite only wounding on 4s, so you need to keep the C'Tan nearest to heavy firepower. A vindicare could be a decent counter so watch out for them, because it could kill the shackle tek in one shot.

The crypteks use the C'tan's toughness in all cases.

Incorrect, it is only when rolling to wound.

the opposing player must always use the C'tan Shard's Toughness when rolling To Wound models in this Formation.

Since this is limited to only wounding, resolving S8 wounds against a Cryptek would still cause ID. On the other hand, since there is two Crypteks, they would still have a 4+ RP, so not totally left out to dry.