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 Segersgia wrote:
As to stoke the fires of the T'au origin, I just noticed that these suits are hooved. Even the Orrus is hooved.

These 'hooves' look nothing like Tau ones, though. They are clearly meant for human feet, Tau legs look completely different. If anything, they look like Admech 'hooves' (see say both kinds of Sicarians), which would neatly tie to Thallax theory.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
That's making the assumption that the Imperium fully understands all Tau tech, though. Some of it could very well be based on ideas that the Imperium no longer has a full grasp of.

Pretty much yes? That was the original fluff at least, Tau tech is downright primitive compared to Imperial one, Tau just compensated by overloading weapons (even to the point of killing user, see fluff why most of their dangerous toys had 'gets hot' rule) and ignoring logistic issues by having very short supply lines compensating for drastically bigger ammo use and maintenance issues. Like Tau plasma was 3x the size of Imperial one while being also much weaker and firing half as often, or fusion gun being 4x bigger melta that had to be mounted on battlesuit instead of being light rifle and had shorter range on top of that.

At least that was the original Tau fluff, before clown writer who by his own admission never did math boosted all of their gak gradually to above Necron level (because that's totally what 'up and coming' race should have!) while also removing all the drawbacks and trade offs they had on their old gear

If the kit is just two bodies on the same sprue i'd hope they managed to fit in more head options and weapons than what is shown here.

With the coffin shaped icon on the center of the chest I felt these were more Necron inspired than Tau.

They appear to be gender none-descript, the chests are slightly pronounced but that heavily armoured region, the lighter frames can work with either male or female. With the Orrus they did say that the wearers are heavily mutilated to fit in the suits, so there's that as well.

It could be a clue as to their origin.

The Tau link is somewhat muddied now, despite a couple of in-universe thing suggesting it.

It could be that wherever they’re coming from is a Matriarchal species, and so putting knokkaz on the design is just part of the aesthetic. Or, that they’re some other organ we stinky hoomans have no direct equivalent of. Like how Cow’s have that hand underneath them, for grabbing at the ground.

 Irbis wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
As to stoke the fires of the T'au origin, I just noticed that these suits are hooved. Even the Orrus is hooved.

These 'hooves' look nothing like Tau ones, though. They are clearly meant for human feet, Tau legs look completely different. If anything, they look like Admech 'hooves' (see say both kinds of Sicarians), which would neatly tie to Thallax theory.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
That's making the assumption that the Imperium fully understands all Tau tech, though. Some of it could very well be based on ideas that the Imperium no longer has a full grasp of.

Pretty much yes? That was the original fluff at least, Tau tech is downright primitive compared to Imperial one, Tau just compensated by overloading weapons (even to the point of killing user, see fluff why most of their dangerous toys had 'gets hot' rule) and ignoring logistic issues by having very short supply lines compensating for drastically bigger ammo use and maintenance issues. Like Tau plasma was 3x the size of Imperial one while being also much weaker and firing half as often, or fusion gun being 4x bigger melta that had to be mounted on battlesuit instead of being light rifle and had shorter range on top of that.

At least that was the original Tau fluff, before clown writer who by his own admission never did math boosted all of their gak gradually to above Necron level (because that's totally what 'up and coming' race should have!) while also removing all the drawbacks and trade offs they had on their old gear

I don't recall anywhere it was stated back in 3rd or 4th edition that the Imperium perfectly understands all Tau technology. Much of it is definitely something they're aware of as they have equivalents as pretty standard gear, but when it comes to things like shielding, AI or anti-grav where it's entering into that lost/partially lost/uncommon/They just don't use it area of Imperial tech, that's a different matter - those sort of things can still come under the definition of being "half-forgotten" technology for the Spyrer suits.

Tau are absolutely behind the Imperium in every field of technology in "present" time, the difference is they're both moving rapidly but in opposite directions.

There's lots of things the Imperium can do but chooses not to.

The Imperium's greatest threat for a very long time was internal rebellion, not external invasion.

(Eldar are dying, Orks are divided, Chaos is pent up in the Eye of Terror...)

So they under equip the IG so Marines can always swat them down. They under man the Marines so IG can overwhelm them. They limit human power armor to a small group of fanatical warrior women etc...

It's meant to be a feature of Imperial governance, not a bug.

They absolutely have the tech to make an army of powered armored humans with jump packs and servo skull grenade launchers carrying melta and plasma guns, but then who would swat down those guys when they go all heretic?

There’s a difference between seeing say, a Drone, and realising it’s AI and uses anti-grav tech, and understanding how either of those things actually work. Even to an Adept of the Mechanicus.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Tau are absolutely behind the Imperium in every field of technology in "present" time, the difference is they're both moving rapidly but in opposite directions.

The Imperium having examples of similar tech that outclasses the Tau doesn't mean that some of those things can't still be described as being based around "half-forgotten" technologies, though.

That's the "opposite directions" part

Well I wanted Spyrers, and this is what happens when you have to trust in GW. One model with slightly different arm options to represent three of the families, missing the look and the point of the original. Le sigh.

On the plus side, with scanning technology now producing perfect recreations, I may just get to scale the old metal models up.

I'm not so sure the original versions were that distinct from one another.

Orrus


Jakara


Yeld


Malcador


The Orris and Jakara look pretty similar, except for number of plates. The biggest difference is probably that the Orrus is a chonky male and the Jakara a more slender female.

Yeld has a similar assassin-style bodysuit to the Orris and Jakara, just with lighter plates and the big honking wing assembly setting the model sillhouette.

The original Malcador definitely looks very different due to the texture on the bodysuit, but bears some resemblance to the Yeld bodysuit profile.

I think the new more modular approach isn't too far from the mark.

Definitely vaguely similar on the old sculpts, but I wouldn't have a hard time telling them apart personally, versus literally the same model on the new ones. The original are about as similar as different marks of Space Marine armor, and for a lot of people I'm sure GW could just sell the same body with a slightly different head for marks 1 through 10 and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But it's lacking something for me.

Left and right hand Jakara blades means that one could make a model with two!

Not sure about these; I think I'd have to see them in the flesh.

I get the Studio's approach to paint schemes, but these are a bunch of rich kids on safari not a military or even paramilitary unit, no way in hell should they all have the same colour armour and mine definitely won't.

lord_blackfang wrote:Yea needed a generic buggy and generic truck (okay, we got this one, just with a bad sculpt and an unusually inefficient sprue layout) with merc crew.

Then House sprues with House crew and bespoke upgrade bits and maybe a bespoke bike.

We already got the generic vehicles in The Book of the Outlands. The ridgerunner, rockgrinder, wolfquad and jackal kits from the Genestealer Cult line.

They just never made any gang specific upgrades for them.

I did use Space Marine Scout Bikers, lightly converted, for my Palanite motorcycle cops (wastelander dirtbike).


Those are some pretty spicy looking Spyrers though. I guess if they are releasing them all in one set, then they are probably all going to have rules in the main book. A "Cinderak Burning" multi-book campaign is looking less likely now.

I think with different paint jobs the Spryers will look better but as presented they come across a bit "meh". The sculpts aren't bad but the color scheme will probably be what makes them stand out.

 frankelee wrote:
Well I wanted Spyrers, and this is what happens when you have to trust in GW. One model with slightly different arm options to represent three of the families, missing the look and the point of the original. Le sigh.

On the plus side, with scanning technology now producing perfect recreations, I may just get to scale the old metal models up.

Well, I never liked the original models. I thought they looked goofy and/or stupid, even for Necromunda stuff. So I never bought any.

I like them a lot, want to try lots of colours on them. Like a car shop paint style!

 Ahtman wrote:
I think with different paint jobs the Spryers will look better but as presented they come across a bit "meh". The sculpts aren't bad but the color scheme will probably be what makes them stand out.

They are basically the same paint job as the Orrus from the big box. You're right though, a fancy schmancy paint job could do a lot to make them more individualistic.

Speaking of the big box, any bets on how long it will take the separate gangs to be released in individual boxes?

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I think with different paint jobs the Spryers will look better but as presented they come across a bit "meh". The sculpts aren't bad but the color scheme will probably be what makes them stand out.

They are basically the same paint job as the Orrus from the big box.

I was including him in the statement.

I like them a lot, but I think a paint job that's a homage to their OG paintjob would've been better.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

(Eldar are dying, Orks are divided, Chaos is pent up in the Eye of Terror...)

We didn't start the fiyah

...

Anyway. I'm not a fan of the shared bodies. On the bright side, it will be much cheaper to get a full collection this way (until they add a bunch of new suits I guess).

I don't know what this bodes for the rest of the sub-setting, since I thought they'd string out the spyrer suits alongside new gang units.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Well I wanted Spyrers, and this is what happens when you have to trust in GW. One model with slightly different arm options to represent three of the families, missing the look and the point of the original. Le sigh.

On the plus side, with scanning technology now producing perfect recreations, I may just get to scale the old metal models up.

Well, I never liked the original models. I thought they looked goofy and/or stupid, even for Necromunda stuff. So I never bought any.

Totally agreed. There are some truly great 90s Necromunda minis (the Eschers, the Orlocks) but I never thought those came close to living up to the concept.

I never bought any because Spyrers are for spielverderbers who don't think Enforcers have quite enough exceptions to normal game rules.

Really digging these new Necromunda models! Despite having to feel more excitement for the upcoming Legions Imperialis stuff, I can't feel but slightly let down by those (it's just smaller 40k models, what about the weird funky stuff?). Necromunda on the other hand is going full awesome with these new releases. Haven't been excited about GW releases in a while, but these are really cool!

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Well I wanted Spyrers, and this is what happens when you have to trust in GW. One model with slightly different arm options to represent three of the families, missing the look and the point of the original. Le sigh.

On the plus side, with scanning technology now producing perfect recreations, I may just get to scale the old metal models up.

Well, I never liked the original models. I thought they looked goofy and/or stupid, even for Necromunda stuff. So I never bought any.

They are kind of derpy, but it was GW in 1996, so there was a lot of derp at that time. I think if they had just been a little more generous with the kit and done one male, one female, everybody gets their own specific Ironman arc reactor chest piece, three very distinct head options, different foot options, and different elbow-down weapon arm options, along with the backpack options, all done in a specifically different style, it would work. It'd be really cool if somebody digitally sculpted new ones to match the old ones, but well, Necromunda just isn't popular enough to get much traction with sculptors though.

The big digital sculptors need lots of fodder to keep them going though. I mean Papsikels ended up doing sexy pin up femaliens… I can see a decent set of alt-spyrers coming out in the next few days on MMF.

 frankelee wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Well I wanted Spyrers, and this is what happens when you have to trust in GW. One model with slightly different arm options to represent three of the families, missing the look and the point of the original. Le sigh.

On the plus side, with scanning technology now producing perfect recreations, I may just get to scale the old metal models up.

Well, I never liked the original models. I thought they looked goofy and/or stupid, even for Necromunda stuff. So I never bought any.

They are kind of derpy, but it was GW in 1996, so there was a lot of derp at that time. I think if they had just been a little more generous with the kit and done one male, one female, everybody gets their own specific Ironman arc reactor chest piece, three very distinct head options, different foot options, and different elbow-down weapon arm options, along with the backpack options, all done in a specifically different style, it would work. It'd be really cool if somebody digitally sculpted new ones to match the old ones, but well, Necromunda just isn't popular enough to get much traction with sculptors though.

They aren’t like a 1:1 the old ones, but Artel do Spyrer models that are more distinctive between the types and closer to the old ones: https://artelw.com/Manhunters-Cult-Bundle-p309800080

Edit: just realised you probably meant for 3D printing, soz!

 Ahtman wrote:
I think with different paint jobs the Spryers will look better but as presented they come across a bit "meh". The sculpts aren't bad but the color scheme will probably be what makes them stand out.

Definitely meh.

The power fantasy gang turned into Interchangeable Emmas.

There's also something about the waist and thighs on all of them (especially the Orrus) that just doesn't sit right.