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We had a situation come up the other night and we were not sure of the answer and I wanted to get some opinions on this. I believe it was a Empire Captain on Horse that joined a Knight Unit of 5 models during deployment.

Later on during the battle the unit was down to the Captain and two knights entering the opponents shooting phase and one of the knights was eliminated by shooting. At that point because the unit took over 25% casualties, determined to be one of three models or 33% so they had to test and failed the test and fled. We were okay to this point.

At the beginning of the Empire players turn they wanted to attempt to rally the unit and were told they could not because the unit was less than 25% original strength. It was argued that the Character at that point could not count towards unit strength as not being part of the unit therefore disallowing the rally attempt. Then it was also stated that the character also could not rally because he was part of the fleeing unit and therefore could not rally as being part of a unit under 25% original strength.

If that is correct it seems that the two parts of that rule do not jive with each other. He cannot count as part of the unit strenght for rallying purposes but also cannot rally as he is counted as part of the unit whose strength is under 25%. It seems he should either be part of the unit or not and should either count for rallying purposes or not. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Did we do this correctly?

Thanks for any help.

I'm not 100% on this, but my group and I always play as the Hero counting as part of the unit for purposes of panic tests - ie. take him into account for purposes of determining 25% casualties AND 25% starting unit strength. So in your scenario, we'd play it as: Unit takes panic check because they lost 1 of 3 (33%), flees, and subsequently count as 2 of 6 starting (33%) strength.

HFJor wrote:I'm not 100% on this, but my group and I always play as the Hero counting as part of the unit for purposes of panic tests - ie. take him into account for purposes of determining 25% casualties AND 25% starting unit strength. So in your scenario, we'd play it as: Unit takes panic check because they lost 1 of 3 (33%), flees, and subsequently count as 2 of 6 starting (33%) strength.

Pretty certain that's how the rules say to play it as well. There's either a FAQ or something in the rulebook about characters joined to fleeing units being counted towards the 25% min, not sure where at the moment though.

- Salvage

Bear in mind that in this case, the unit's starting US is 10, not 12. Characters never count as part of a unit's starting US. Current, yes, but not starting.

Manfred von Drakken wrote:Bear in mind that in this case, the unit's starting US is 10, not 12. Characters never count as part of a unit's starting US. Current, yes, but not starting.

So in this case the starting unit strength was 10. At the time the unit failed the panic check the unit strength went down from 6 to 4 or down 33%. Then during the rally phase the unit strenght is either counted as 20% without the character (unable to rally) or 33% with the character and able to rally. I had thought they should rally but was told they could not as at the time of the rally the character could not count as part of the unit strength.

Still not sure how this should go.