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I wanted to post in the IS Necrons unbeatable (cause i cant do crap against them) but decided to start my own

Ok this is a friendly game so a couple of house rules were laid down:

First no Force organization chart.
Ok i think that was the only rule LOL

So my Oppenent is playing necrons
2 monoliths
24 warriors
1 tomb
1 destroyer
1 necron lord
2 wraiths
all have disruption field
shes (yes my opponent is female)
Reserving 1 Lith
Lord
2 wraiths


Im Fielding
Chaos
1 Sorcerer
1 Lord with Lightninng claws Both With T armor and Mark of Tz
10 Khorne Berzerkers (with Rhino) (1 sarg. he has the metla)
5 Raptors (1 with flamer)(sergeant has metla bombs and Lightning claws)
5 Chaos space maries. sarg has metla
5 termines sarg has bomb, reaper auto, and power fist
1 defiler (with havoc launcher)

I have terms, lord, and sorc in reserver for Deep stike)

we are playing on a 4 foot by 4 foot table
no Terrain

OK please comment on anything both me and her.

ok the game

She goes first move units 6 inchs. and uses destroyer on rhino and misses. pass turn
my turn

My Rhino goes all out and 12 inches he goes. Straight across the field is the first ilth
everyone else moves normal
shooting

Defiler targets Lith misses but lands and kills 3 warriors instead.
Rhino pops smoke
no one else is close her turn


she rolls for reserve she fails

she moves
partial whips the rhino hits i roll a 1 shaken (thank god)
pass her turn (she shot but missed on almost everything )

my turn i pass my reserve for soc and lord
I Deep strike soc near the ilith which is the one near my rhino
my Lord Deep stikes way over in left field. ... ...
move i move my rhino closer to the 1 set of warriors and disembark my 10 Berserkers

shooting
defiler missed the lith (and my troops)
Berserkers shooting the 12 warriors
rhino does nothing
raptors are attacking those 12 warriors near them

Assult
Berserkers get 41 attacks to the 12 warriors i kill all but 1............. ( )

her turn
she gets to deep shrike her lith
she places the lith behind my raptors closer to my field
does WWB ... fails on all but 1 guy (she has 2 that are in CC with Berserkers )
then she Power cores the group near my Berserkers out and the show up near the lith (about 7 inches away)(we rolls her failed wwb)(gets ALL OF THEM back)......

she
deploys the lord and 2 wariths off the other lith (which is also with in 12 inchs of my raptors)

shooting phase.
she Gauss Flux arc the 10 Berserkers ... 51 shots ((((( UUUGGGG)))))) a d6 per unit come on.
all but 3 die she rapid fires the 12 warriors. ... .. by by Berserkers squad

the arc the rhino. it blows up
she arc the soc it takes 1 wound

the other lith
arcs the 5 raptors 20 shots ... rolls 6 6's in the wound.
then the 12 warriors Rapid fire my 5 CSM and finish the fight.


. ... .... what did i do wrong.

FYI it is now my turn 3 and my Termi can come into play.. ( i rolled high enough for the reserve)

First thing, get a FOC. Much more balanced. Looking at her list, kill the warriors. If you bring her down to 25% of her start 'necron' models she phases out and loses. Thats only 7 models. The defiler should be brilliant at this due to the fact its main gun ignores WBB. In addition to this, you should own necrons in CC. Beat squads in CC and run them down and they'll get no WBB. Pretty much every game I play against necrons, I go for phase out victories.

P.S. Ignore the monoliths! They may be killy but they are nigh unkillable and phase out with the rest of the army.

I am moving this thread to the Tactics forum as I think it will do better there.

thanks Kill

cablecing wrote:
shooting phase.
she Gauss Flux arc the 10 Berserkers ... 51 shots ((((( UUUGGGG)))))) a d6 per unit come on.
all but 3 die she rapid fires the 12 warriors. ... .. by by Berserkers squad

. ... .... what did i do wrong.

You didnt play the proper rules, tis probably why it seems a bit insane.

Im pretty sure those bererkers all come in one squad (even if they somhow were IC, you automatically join a unit when embarking in a vehicle

There fore: that monolith rule = D6 shots per unit. Thats an entire D6 shots for the whole beserker squad.

Like Mekboy said, Play with a FOC.. it just makes the game decent.. otherwise things get silly. Kill the monolith if youve got some str 9-10 ap1 weaponary otherwise engage the necrons in H2H.

Engage warriors in H2H.. I3 will kill them (or is it worse?) and if you run them down they do not get to make WBB saves as the whole squad gets disbanded.

cablecing wrote:
she Gauss Flux arc the 10 Berserkers ... 51 shots ((((( UUUGGGG)))))) a d6 per unit come on.
...
arcs the 5 raptors 20 shots ... rolls 6 6's in the wound.

This doesn't sound right!?

It gets D6 shots at each unit, so when firing at the Raptors, you roll a D6 say you get a 3.
You roll to hit 3 times with the BS 4, 2 hit. Roll to wound with Str 4 and get 1 Wound. And he probably saves.

cablecing wrote:Berserkers get 41 attacks to the 12 warriors i kill all but 1............. ( )

So, how exactly did those Warriors not get run down again? Did she roll Insane Courage or was she very lucky on the Sweeping Advance rolls?

cablecing wrote:she Gauss Flux arc the 10 Berserkers ... 51 shots ((((( UUUGGGG)))))) a d6 per unit come on.
all but 3 die she rapid fires the 12 warriors. ... .. by by Berserkers squad

So how do D6 shots at a unit within range become 51 shots? The Gauss Flux Arc only gets D6 shots at any unit within range, not D6 shots for every unit within range at one target unit.


As to how to beat her list, you should aim for Phase Out. The Monoliths are very survivable. Try to ignore the WBB rolls using high strength weaponry (like the defilers) or get into combat with the Necrons to try and run them down (ignores WBB as well). Once she is under 25% of the starting amount of models with the Necron special rule, her entire army will retreat, meaning you win by Wipeout!

Also your army list could use some work. It lacks a focus. Close combat units (like the Raptors) should consist of at least 8 models and their Aspiring Champions should wield a Power Fist. Chaos Lords are absolutely horrible, go with a Daemon Prince or a Chaos Sorcerer. In these size games it is almost never a good idea to take more than 1 HQ choice though. I'm not a fan of the Chaos Terminators either. If you want to field them though, I'd use them as a small (3 models) deep striking unit with Combi-Weapons (either flamer or melta).

Assault the warriors, and destroy them all in CC. You instantly win as everything else phases out.

Yeah, last time I had 51+ shots from my gauss flux arcs in one round, it was a combined total, when I had 3 liths DS into the middle of a IG gunline. 2 here, 3 there, 5 over there, back in 4th when they didn't block each others LOS. Some immortals to light up his Officer, then watch half of his remaining army run off the board, it was beautiful...

First off read up on the rules a bit. I don't want to sound harsh, but it doesn't even sound like you're playing 40k.

Second, like other posters said, ignore the monoliths, and hit the necrons themselves. She doesn't have a lot of them, and you have a lot of things that should just plaster the buggers. The defiler not only can kill a squad and ignore WWB, it has fleet and can easily wipe out and run down a necron unit in CC. The berserkers can do so as well.

Mekniakal wrote:First off read up on the rules a bit. I don't want to sound harsh, but it doesn't even sound like you're playing 40k.

Second, like other posters said, ignore the monoliths, and hit the necrons themselves. She doesn't have a lot of them, and you have a lot of things that should just plaster the buggers. The defiler not only can kill a squad and ignore WWB, it has fleet and can easily wipe out and run down a necron unit in CC. The berserkers can do so as well.

Of all the post yours was the worst - Edit -- No Profanity on Dakka. Please keep it clean, and don't be rude either. - Iorek No insight what so ever.

The problem I have with the rules is the necron book. It says Gauss flux arc says Every UNIT. every unit to me means every model. Not squad other wise it would say Gauss flux arc his a aquad D6 times or total units. Instead it uses every unit of a model with in 12 inches of the lith.

If i was smart i would have read page 13 more clearly and notice that Nec warriors DO NOT have Fearless. ( thats my own fault)

As for possible squad upgrades or changes some of these look great.

Um, Unit does NOT equal model. D6 per unit means D6 per squad, mob, unit, etc. They are distinctly different and laid out as such.

So yeah, it's D6 hits per squad, not per model (it would say "per model", and there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth).

cablecing wrote:
Of all the post yours was the worst - Edit -- No Profanity on Dakka. Please keep it clean, and don't be rude either. - Iorek No insight what so ever.

The problem I have with the rules is the necron book. It says Gauss flux arc says Every UNIT. every unit to me means every model. Not squad other wise it would say Gauss flux arc his a aquad D6 times or total units. Instead it uses every unit of a model with in 12 inches of the lith.

Unit =/= model

Every unit WITH a model within 12 inches.

In other words, if a single model WITHIN the unit is within the range of the flux arc, then it can shoot at the entire unit.

Of course, your ignorance shows that you're not even willing to check the rulebook when someone does try to tell you that you're wrong, so I'm not sure if this correction will help you either way.

If i was smart i would have read page 13 more clearly and notice that Nec warriors DO NOT have Fearless. ( thats my own fault)

Even if they were fearless, combat resolution would make your job even easier for you.

cablecing wrote:

Mekniakal wrote:First off read up on the rules a bit. I don't want to sound harsh, but it doesn't even sound like you're playing 40k.

Second, like other posters said, ignore the monoliths, and hit the necrons themselves. She doesn't have a lot of them, and you have a lot of things that should just plaster the buggers. The defiler not only can kill a squad and ignore WWB, it has fleet and can easily wipe out and run down a necron unit in CC. The berserkers can do so as well.

Of all the post yours was the worst - Edit -- No Profanity on Dakka. Please keep it clean, and don't be rude either. - Iorek No insight what so ever.

The problem I have with the rules is the necron book. It says Gauss flux arc says Every UNIT. every unit to me means every model. Not squad other wise it would say Gauss flux arc his a aquad D6 times or total units. Instead it uses every unit of a model with in 12 inches of the lith.

If i was smart i would have read page 13 more clearly and notice that Nec warriors DO NOT have Fearless. ( thats my own fault)

As for possible squad upgrades or changes some of these look great.

The bolded part is just one of the reasons why you really need to spend more time learning the rules. That'll go a long way towards helping you learn where you went wrong.

So, what it seems you need to do,

1. Read the rules

2. Understand the terminology (Barrage = pinning.. so the tempest launcher = pinning too, only found out yesterday, goes to show.)

3. Keep it clean. People will be nicer to you.

4. Kill 'necron' units in H2H. Phase those badboys out.

You did nothing wrong, you threw the game because you were playing a woman!


Good Man!


(thats your story, and you should stick to it)

LOl thanks guys

Clthomps wrote:You did nothing wrong, you threw the game because you were playing a woman!


Good Man!


(thats your story, and you should stick to it)

hey! We can win without our opponent fielding half the points we field!

But i agree! stick with your story! hahahaha.

You and your opponent need to study, follow, and adhere to the rules.

It makes no sense to me to complain about a broken ruleset if you're not using it.

"Every unit WITH a model within 12 inches.

In other words, if a single model WITHIN the unit is within the range of the flux arc, then it can shoot at the entire unit. "

What is the finial ruling? All unitssquads within 12" can be shot. Count the units within 12 and that is how many shots a Single unit takes.
Thanks for the info about killing off the troops and having them leave the field.

"Every unit WITH a model within 12 inches.

In other words, if a single model WITHIN the unit is within the range of the flux arc, then it can shoot at the entire unit. "

What is the finial ruling? All unitssquads within 12" can be shot. Count the units within 12 and that is how many shots a Single unit takes.
Thanks for the info about killing off the troops and having them leave the field.

The final ruling is that if a model is within 12 inches of the monolith, then the entire unit gets shot with D6 shots. That means the most wounds that a sinlge unit can collectivly take in that one round of shooting is 6.

A unit is a functioning part of the army. It can be one model, or it can be thirty, so long as it can function independantly from other units. An individual model is ALWAYS referenced as a model, and a unit is always referenced as a unit.

Read the freaking manual.