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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 02:45:26
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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I'm getting ready to start up a space marine chapter and have repeatedly changed my mind about what I want to bring.
Also I realised one of the thing that really gets me aggravated when I have a specific chapter, is when people dont think that the unit selections 'fit' their idea of how the chapter should be represented on the feild. Case in point was a Raven Guard army I posted recently where people didnt understand what made it a Raven Guard army. Now whether or not they were correct in thinking that the list I made up failed to represent RavenGuard, doenst matter, the point is...If I'm in a tournement situation, and someone feels that 3 assault units in an Iron Hands army isnt appropriate (first impressions say it isnt, but....) that may come to reflect on your soft scores.
The answer for all of this is of course, a DIY chapter or make up your own. This option has the added benefit of not being particularly 'locked' into a certain codex. If I'm playing a chapter called the "Shadow Tigers" who is to say what codex they're using? Could be Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Vanilla marines...heck even a Renegade legion if I want....
Now, I was going to actually do this Chapter...The Shadow Tigers using a paint scheme of black with light grey and black tiger stripes on the shoulderpads, but I realised that if I create this chapter, not only is it uninspiring to other players...noone would ever be as impressed about it as I myself would be...Even if I created a chapter history and storyline.
Now, I've painted up a terminator unit and am close to painting up a tactical squad for my new DIY Space Marine Chapter. It's a serious chapter with nothing that would make people look at the army and go WOW neat...not to say that the army is boring or anything , but effectively if you see it during a tournement you might give it a quick extra glance and then be on your way to go look at the Golden Daemon level painted army down the way....
An Idea that I had not long ago however, was to combine my all time favorite passion with 40k. A Space Marine chapter called...The Federation, yes, from Star Trek.
It would feature, grey armour, grey like the ships themselves with colors that would note station. Of course the federation insignia would be the shoulder emblem.
Using the original series, colors would go...
Redshirts for rank and file.
Blue for Science-Apothecaries, librarians
Yellow/gold for command-leaders and vet sargeants, possibly chaplain
Green for Chapter Master.
I beleive I can convert bolters fairly easily to look like Original series Phaser Rifles and Bolt pistols are easily converted into Phaser II pistols. Or I was also thinking about making Phaser II's Plasma Pistols and making bolt pistols represented by hand held Phaser I or the little cell-phone sized phaser they used.
The Rhinos can easily scream shuttlecraft like nothing if you add a flying base and converted impulse nacelles and I'll always be bringing a chapter master so I can hit the enemy with a "Phaser blast from Orbit".
My question is, what do you think is the better idea. What would you rather see in a tournement or play against? I'm an above average painter and this project would probably push the envelope of my skills a bit more than the 'basic' do it yourself chapter that I've got in mind...plus its a "silly" idea that I think I could take TONS of pride in if it works out well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 08:23:53
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Foxy Wildborne
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I'm making Pretty Marines and I think Star Trek Marines are too silly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 08:42:07
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Star Trek Marines are a great idea. I love it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 09:03:24
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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The Main Man
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Hey, I think it'd be funny, and if it'll inspire you to push your painting and modeling skills to a higher level, then go for it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 09:35:49
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Sounds great. On 1 condition, at least 1 relic blade must be a Bat'Liff
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"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
-Joseph Stalin
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 10:18:47
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Red_Lives wrote:Sounds great. On 1 condition, at least 1 relic blade must be a Bat'Liff
Actually, there werent any Bat'Liffs in TOS, BUT I was planning on making a librarian (spock most likely) and his force weapon was going to be the bit two handed weapon from 'Amok Time'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 13:48:29
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Go for it.  See how many people recognize the color schemes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 14:09:56
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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lord_blackfang wrote:I'm making Pretty Marines and I think Star Trek Marines are too silly.
The pretty marines remind me of Moonlight Knight from Sailor moon. Things I shouldnt know
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 14:32:33
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Widowmaker
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I endorse this project. Would they count as renegade Marines because they hang out with aliens and use heretical technology?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 14:41:34
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Fixture of Dakka
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I might not be a good role model in this case (*cough* Paterno's Lions *cough*) but I think this could work pretty well.
The only two things I would worry about would be making the Rhino's look like they hover since it changes their LOS blocking abilities, and that might but people. The other thing would be the phasers... People might not like it if a Str 4 weapon looks like a cell phone  Delicate little weapons are not the 40k way, and while it might be cool, I think people wouldn't like it. People complained when I mentioned running Sisters as counts as Salamanders, after all.
Your original idea seemed pretty cool too, though, and some camo like that with city ruins bases would be cool. Personally, I would run the Marines like that, and save the Federation idea for the new IG codex. Then you could have Valkyrie rules for the shuttles, and red shirts who die properly  ... in fact, the more I think of it, the more that would be awesome, with the command squads being the upper echelons... drop squads as away teams... neat!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 16:30:11
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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lord_blackfang wrote:I'm making Pretty Marines and I think Star Trek Marines are too silly.
Please tell me you'll have a head modeled on your Chapter Master like that picture.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 16:36:00
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Madrak Ironhide
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Redshirts. Hilarious!
Someone should do a Red Shirt army using Imperial Guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 17:44:34
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Deadshane1 wrote:A Space Marine chapter called...The Federation, yes, from Star Trek
I woudn't do it. You run the risk of getting called a nerd.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 19:34:27
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Prophet of Dakka wrote:Deadshane1 wrote:A Space Marine chapter called...The Federation, yes, from Star Trek
I woudn't do it. You run the risk of getting called a nerd.
I think if you do 40k you already run the risk of being called a nerd, it isn't really the coolest thing in the word i think most people here will agree.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 22:26:05
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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I dunno.... I think the idea balances on a knife edge... if you do it well, itll be awesome, if you do it badly it will only discredit you...
I personally wouldnt object to shuttle/rhinos on flying bases, as long as you just 'counted them as' normal rhinos with no rules changes.
On the other hand, I think the idea would suit tau much more than marines. Arent they more about bringing alien races into their 'federation' than marines who are more about 'HURRR, CRUSH XENOS'?
Although as I say, fluff aside, done well it would be cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 22:51:28
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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somecallmeJack wrote:
On the other hand, I think the idea would suit tau much more than marines. Arent they more about bringing alien races into their 'federation' than marines who are more about 'HURRR, CRUSH XENOS'?
Not when you make a slight adjustment to.....
"FEDERATION PRIME DIRECTIVE"-the non-interferance directive:
The Directive states that members of the Federation are not to allow other species to interfere with the natural development, or affairs of planets under protection of the Imperium whether it be by direct intervention or technilogical revelation. The Prime directive makes it clear that concerning alien contact with Imperial planets that there is to be "No Identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet under Imperial creed. No referances to space outside Imperial borders, other worlds or other civilizations." Federation Space Marines are required to understand that Imperial Society is sacred and must make any sacrifice to protect these worlds from contamination, even at the cost of their lives, meaning the planet population. Extermination of the planet populace is known as "General order 24" carried out typically when contamination is too deep to root out by planetary assault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 22:56:22
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Evasive Eshin Assassin
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go for it!
if you wanted to have hovering rhinos just keep them low and no one will care.
phasers instead of bolters
just don't give guys that have bolters the cell phone phasers as they may be mistaken for a pistol weapon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 23:04:08
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Actually, I was talking about the whole project with someone and we figured that "less is more" concerning weapon conversions.
Basic marines will still be carrying bolters. Phaser II's would be converted onto marines that are carrying Plasma Pistols. Phaser Rifles would be converted onto both meltaguns and flamers (stun-wide feild setting). Assault marines with bolt pistols MIGHT have phaser I's (the little cell-phone sized weapon) but this could be a bit much if I was using the "less is more" concept.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 23:32:45
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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A Redshirt?
Imagine the Star fleet insignia on the blank shoulderpad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/26 23:50:35
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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If you're going to go with Star Trek as an inspiration, you should make an army where everyone is in the mafia.
I <3 that episode.
And the devastator sergeant neads to have a red shirt.
Seriously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 02:18:37
Subject: Re:Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
Busy somewhere, airin' out the skin jobs.
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Sargeant in Command Yellow.
I think they'll look ok....Maybe time for a test model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 02:56:38
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Nasty Nob
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I think the idea has merit for sure!
For your marines though, I'd stay away from grey armour, maybe for the tanks only. Go with the standard colours from TOS. Your sergeants and HQ can be yellow, then make you rank and file guys a mix of red and blue.
Maybe throw some 'commandos' in a la 'Enterprise'.
Love to see a test fig.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:05:08
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Madrak Ironhide
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Pics not working for me, Deadshane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 04:41:11
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Ontario
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Sounds awsome, would love to play against it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 10:29:37
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Sslimey Sslyth
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I think I've got a better name for the Chapter than "the Federation"
Desilu was the name of the company that first picked up Star Trek. A film company owned by Desi Arnes and Lucielle Ball.
"Ulised's Flawless Protectors" or U.F.P. for short. (like United Federation of Planets)
...I'll define who/what Ulised is later within the chapter History/Origins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 11:21:02
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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1st Lieutenant
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Can I suggest you find the battle music from amok time and make sure you have that playing from some little speakers for every game...
P.S Very geeky idea, but brilliant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 12:01:23
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Really pushes the envelope of "I'm a geek". But hey, this hobby is more than enough geek to brand someone, so if you're going to go and are willing to do it (and not feel dumb about it in public) go for it. This is your stuff and your hobby, so go nuts if it's what you want to do.
Someone's point about "it better be really well done" is spot on. If it looks cool and easily recognizable for what it is, people will love it. If it's haphazard, you aren't going to want to hear the jokes people will say as they walk by it at a tourney.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 19:11:25
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
Golden, CO
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Personally I feel this would be better suited to an Inquisition army (easier to buy phaser=lasrifle than phaser=bolter, and more shirt-like uniforms, less full body armor). Otherwise, I think it's an interesting idea, and the Federation symbol would make for a good Chapter Badge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 19:25:26
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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But. It's. Only a. Good. Idea. If you. Call one of them. Shatner.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 19:33:51
Subject: Question about 'silly' ideas for Marine Chapters
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Fixture of Dakka
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I went to a ren faire a couple of years ago.
There were guys there dressed up as klingons.
40k and Star Trek are like polar opposites in terms of sci-fi. One is a happy, fluffy land of sunshine and daisies where everything wrong in the world can be solved in an hour by reconfiguring something. The other is a grim, dark place where no matter how long you toil, you're either going to end up as tyranid food, or simply consumed by the unending bureaucracy of the imperium.
They don't mix. Really. Keep your klingons and your ferangis in their own sad little portion of space with the unwashed con-trekkies. Cause crossing them over to 40k makes as much sense as the aforementioned klingons at a ren faire.
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P.S. You mentioned that you were doing this to avoid the potential soft-score hit that would come from having assault marines in an iron hand army (or the like). I'll go ahead and say it - I'd be that guy - if I ever have to play against a star trek army in a tournament, I'm tanking every soft score I can. Iron hands, as a codex chapter, can take as many assault marines as their codex allows them, and I'm totally cool with that. Star Trek doesn't belong in the 40k universe. To me, this would totally spoil any experience I'd have playing against you. It would be worse than playing against an unpainted army.
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