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This is a combined force group of various Craftworlds that are hell bent on assassinating certain persons who suspected agents of Chaos...............

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Eldrad

10 Harlies- Shadowseer, 10 Kisses
10 Scorpian- Exarch, claw, shadowstrike

10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, twin catapults, bladestorm
10 Dire Avengers- Exarch, twin catapults, bladestorm

6 Jetbikes- 2 shuriken cannon
6 Jetbikes- 2 shuriken cannon

Wraith Lord- bright lance, missile launcher
Wraith Lord- bright lance, missile launcher
Wraith Lord- bright lance, missile launcher

Not bad! I think the scorps + harlies might be overkill though. Your tastes may vary.

Otherwise its nice, Im glad to see the triple identical lords.

As I always say:

Using Eldrad in a tourney is begging to get a low comp score.

the avatar is out of place in this list, seeing as you don't have anyone that can really benefit from his fearless rules.

the harlies are also a waste since everything else to have is mobile or stationary.


So heres what I would do:

-Eldrad
-avatar
-harlies

+1 farseer with doom and runes of warding
+2 wave serpents TL Shur cannons and SS
+6 scorpions so you can make 2 units of 8

Farseer chills in the a WS all game and dooms things for the DAs to kill.

Scorps split into 2 groups of 8 and outflank.

bikes move in to mop up what is left over


Or I might run this:

-eldrad
-harlies
-avatar

+farseer Doom, runes of warding, fortune, SS,jetbike
+X Warlocks on jetbikes, 1 enchance, 1 embolden, X destructor, one or to with no powers to be meat shields

I doubt there are comp scores in a Cheesy RTT, so in that case Eldrad is pretty much FTW.

And anything that isn't fearless such as jetbikes and dire avengers, harlequins and striking scorpions will probably appreciate not having to take break checks. LD8 and 9 isn't autopass.

I forget what shadowstrike is, is that the +1 to cover saves or the infiltration abilty? It'd be better to have both, but +1 to cover saves will make them neigh unbreakable with fortune as they advance forward.

Seems like a decent list, perhaps warpspiders over scorpions? They'll keep more of the heat off the harlequins. And just as importantly, keep up with the harlequins. Also now that rending is nerfed, maybe a troup master with a power sword. Of course all these suggestions cost more points and I have no solution for that.

We do not usually use comp scores in the Houston area for big RTT's generally, just paint and sportsmanship scores in additional to the game's results. We usaully have a big crowd of mega gamers that either make gaming in RTT fun or dull depending on how you view gaming. I usually do not build an over the top cheesy list, but going to an big other than the local gaming group in Houston and especially Austin is asking to get your lunch handed to you in a vomit bag after the person has already regergitated in it. I want to be competitive and win at least two games out of the three. Trust me when I say that my list is not over kill in comparison to the fact that I know of at least two max NOB biker players in the tourney. One guy generally takes 18 with two bosses and the other takes bikes as troops with one maxed out super hard to kill NOB biker unit.

I want to at least strike fear in these players and give them a good game............ I am all for fun, but it is not to fun being tabled. I was thinking of taking more harlies just to hear the Ork player with all the bikers say I had a cheesy list. LOL the scorps should do well against the regular boyz, you think.............

Sazzlefrats wrote:I doubt there are comp scores in a Cheesy RTT, so in that case Eldrad is pretty much FTW.

And anything that isn't fearless such as jetbikes and dire avengers, harlequins and striking scorpions will probably appreciate not having to take break checks. LD8 and 9 isn't autopass.

I forget what shadowstrike is, is that the +1 to cover saves or the infiltration abilty? It'd be better to have both, but +1 to cover saves will make them neigh unbreakable with fortune as they advance forward.

Seems like a decent list, perhaps warpspiders over scorpions? They'll keep more of the heat off the harlequins. And just as importantly, keep up with the harlequins. Also now that rending is nerfed, maybe a troup master with a power sword. Of course all these suggestions cost more points and I have no solution for that.

You are correct, Houston and most of Texas is filled with power gamers who probaly got the compositions scores removed from most RTTs. I have had to face comp scores in the past at the local level and at some GW held events, but not the ones that included over thirty something people playing at Gaming fairs and SCI-FI events.


I play for fun generally but winning feels good sometimes. I find special pleasure, almost sick pleasure in beating the tourney predicted winner. This has not always happened.

On another note, I could drop a scorpian and add a troupe master.

with that many harlies, stick with the massed rending.. on smaller squad (ie. 6-7 a troupe master adds in a nice few str 4 power weapon attacks on a charge to automatically shave off a few TEQ/MEQ's, I assume your gonna doom most of the things you charge. 10 harlies though.. perhaps its not needed. Always be useful to have LD10 & that power weapon though.

Scorpains are by far the best thing to put eldrad with. Nearly everything else will be slowed down by eldrad in one way or another.

Your troops are a bit measley. A couple Anti-troop pie plates (from whirlwinds & the like) & those dire avengers are toast but not so much as guardains where even cover affords no protection. You need more troops.

Is it just me...or? Everyone is talking about Eldrad in this list....
yet he DOESNT seem to be in it?
The only HQ written in the list is the avatar. Is that a mistake, so that Eldrad is in fact in the army?

As for the army i think its looks interesting. I see it doing farily well against mixed/infantry lists, maybe agaist horde armies as well...

BUT i see problems vs. Full Mech armies (like my own 8-9 grav tanks Mech Eldar for example, or lists with 3-5 landraider or 3-5 battewagons, or IG Gunline with 3 russes). Such lists only need to worry about the three Wraithlords, and can thus fire their entire armies to kill these.

Also as mentioned it would be a viable tactic against ur list to simple SHOOT your troop choices out of the ground.

But maybe im off, and overly pessimistic about the survival chances of your troops?

LordofMuck wrote:Is it just me...or? Everyone is talking about Eldrad in this list....
yet he DOESNT seem to be in it?
The only HQ written in the list is the avatar. Is that a mistake, so that Eldrad is in fact in the army?

As for the army i think its looks interesting. I see it doing farily well against mixed/infantry lists, maybe agaist horde armies as well...

BUT i see problems vs. Full Mech armies (like my own 8-9 grav tanks Mech Eldar for example, or lists with 3-5 landraider or 3-5 battewagons, or IG Gunline with 3 russes). Such lists only need to worry about the three Wraithlords, and can thus fire their entire armies to kill these.

Also as mentioned it would be a viable tactic against ur list to simple SHOOT your troop choices out of the ground.

But maybe im off, and overly pessimistic about the survival chances of your troops?

I will hide which every unit that will not be a threat to the enemy by keeping it in reserve as far as troops, then bring them out after the enemy has been forced to deal with the real heavy hitters.

If your thinking about keep units in reserves, get more smaller 3man jetbike squads to turbo-boosting around (from reserves) to cap objectives.

If thats the tactic, why the avatar.. granted he can give the scorpains & harlies fearless but its less needed with them as thier hardier & have better LD.

Congratulations you've created a powerful foot-based eldar list! I don't know about everyone else but, at least I see its capabilities.

On another note why not drop 1 wraithlord a few harlies and drop the bikes down to 3 each since they're jjust there to be mobile OBJ grabbers it they're better off in small squads so that they can hide more easily.

Then replace the former with 10 wraithguard warlock and 3 warwalkers with eml's. Eldrad will become of more use since he can fortune avatar and warlocks and guide the warwalkers or doom a unit if they fire small blasts. The warwalkers add more ranged anti infantry and anti tank and the wraithguard can act as a tough scoring unit.

What do you think of that?

anything else to consider

Looks like a good solid list. Shouldn't have any problems winning games and you'll find that some armies will be the paper to your rock.

I'd split the bikes as someone else mentioned above.
I'd be tempted to take out the Harlies and add scorps - or if you know the demographics of the tourney Banshees.

The guy above who mentioned the Wraithwall is speaking my language. I often put the WG in front to absorb shots, scare the enemy and give a nice cover save for the units behind them.

One thing I didn't really think about before is what do you plan on doing with your back field? In 2/3 of your games, there is probably going to be an objective for you to hold in your deployment zone. Your army seems to be focused largely on moving forward so what do you plan on doing about back field objectives? You could leave a squad of dire avengers in the back to babysit the objective. You could also try to just zoom a bike squad back (if they are still alive) but both seem like kind of risky propositions. You may want to consider putting in a squad of pathfinders to take care of back field objectives. You could get the points for them by either dropping a squad of avengers or a squad of bikes. They would then be able to help out with long range fire support while holding your rear. They are also very hard targets so they would be unlikely to give up an kill points in non objective missions.

Just something to think about.