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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/31 22:48:14
Subject: Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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I am trying to outfit my captain and the options section says "replace bolt pistol and/or chainsword". WTF does this mean? Do I get two options from this section, do I decide what I get rid of, or is the answer some third option I have not considered?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/31 22:53:09
Subject: Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Lieutenant General
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The definition of and/or from dictionary.com should help your confusion.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/01/31 22:53:30
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/31 23:04:13
Subject: Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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nevermind- figured it out, thanks
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/01/31 23:04:51
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/01 12:12:33
Subject: Re:Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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The ordinary "and/or" usually translates to the logical OR.
The ordinary "or" then translates to XOR ("exclusive OR"  , more understandable would be "either... or".
Propositional calculus
False XOR False => False
False XOR True => True
True XOR False => True
True XOR True => False
False OR False => False
False OR True => True
True OR False => True
True OR True => True (the tiny difference)
So, when is the exchange allowed?
no_chainsword OR no_boltpistol => not_allowed
no_chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR no_boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
So, to the OP: You might even exchange both the boltpistol and the chainsword for a single lightning claw. Not that this would make sense (keeping the pistol would be more useful), but it is possible.
I hope I managed to make a rather simple problem look quite ugly with that.^^ Now I'll go back to work and think about building an OR with only XOR, NOT and AND, because the other way round is easy ((a xor b) = ((a or b) and (not (a and b))))...
Bye,
Tierlieb
*who gets to use this beautiful stuff at least once per month*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/01 14:45:33
Subject: Re:Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tierlieb wrote:The ordinary "and/or" usually translates to the logical OR.
The ordinary "or" then translates to XOR ("exclusive OR"  , more understandable would be "either... or".
Propositional calculus
False XOR False => False
False XOR True => True
True XOR False => True
True XOR True => False
False OR False => False
False OR True => True
True OR False => True
True OR True => True (the tiny difference)
So, when is the exchange allowed?
no_chainsword OR no_boltpistol => not_allowed
no_chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR no_boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
So, to the OP: You might even exchange both the boltpistol and the chainsword for a single lightning claw. Not that this would make sense (keeping the pistol would be more useful), but it is possible.
I hope I managed to make a rather simple problem look quite ugly with that.^^ Now I'll go back to work and think about building an OR with only XOR, NOT and AND, because the other way round is easy ((a xor b) = ((a or b) and (not (a and b))))...
Bye,
Tierlieb
*who gets to use this beautiful stuff at least once per month*
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/02/01 14:46:12
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/01 15:09:09
Subject: Re:Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Tierlieb wrote:The ordinary "and/or" usually translates to the logical OR.
The ordinary "or" then translates to XOR ("exclusive OR"  , more understandable would be "either... or".
Propositional calculus
False XOR False => False
False XOR True => True
True XOR False => True
True XOR True => False
False OR False => False
False OR True => True
True OR False => True
True OR True => True (the tiny difference)
So, when is the exchange allowed?
no_chainsword OR no_boltpistol => not_allowed
no_chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR no_boltpistol => allowed
chainsword OR boltpistol => allowed
So, to the OP: You might even exchange both the boltpistol and the chainsword for a single lightning claw. Not that this would make sense (keeping the pistol would be more useful), but it is possible.
I hope I managed to make a rather simple problem look quite ugly with that.^^ Now I'll go back to work and think about building an OR with only XOR, NOT and AND, because the other way round is easy ((a xor b) = ((a or b) and (not (a and b))))...
Bye,
Tierlieb
*who gets to use this beautiful stuff at least once per month*
Ignoring how little relevance this would be to the majority of people, it is actually not quite an accurate representation of what the phrase means, which is spelled out in the codex. What is explained is that, each weapon may be traded for a single other weapon in the list, however, you have the choice to do so with neither weapon, either weapon, or both weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/02 15:08:07
Subject: Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Doesn't this permit the captain to get 2 LCs or 2 PFs so that an extra attack may be gained?
Homer
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The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/02 15:54:55
Subject: Re:Having issues with the New(ish) SM codex
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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Drunkspleen wrote:
Ignoring how little relevance this would be to the majority of people, it is actually not quite an accurate representation of what the phrase means, which is spelled out in the codex. What is explained is that, each weapon may be traded for a single other weapon in the list, however, you have the choice to do so with neither weapon, either weapon, or both weapons.
As I explained ;-)
Homer S wrote:Doesn't this permit the captain to get 2 LCs or 2 PFs so that an extra attack may be gained?
Obviously. It's just pretty expensive.
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