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Okay, so since I started reading over the rules again (still very new to the game) I've found out some neat tricks to use with my Circle army. I went out about 3 weeks ago and bought a box of Druids, Krueger, and a Woldwarden to try and make a more decent list. This is what I came up with...

Krueger - 61pts
Woldwarden - 116pts
Warpwolf - 108pts
Woldwyrd - 53pts
Druids of Orboros (6) - 84pts
Druid Overseer UA - 28pts
Shifting Stones (3) - 21pts
Blackclad Wayfarer - 26pts

So, I've played 5 games since putting this list together, and won all 5 so far. I've played 2 games against Cryx, 1 against Menoth, 1 against a Merc list, and Cygnar.

The Wayfarer really hasn't lived past round 2 for me.. So I'm trying to figure out what to replace him with. I tryed a Sentry Stone and just dont like the way it plays. I dont have enough points for a White Mane, or the Lord of Feast. Anyway else have an idea, or should I just stick with the Wayfarer and see how it goes?

A few tips on using the Wayfarer with respect to this list ans your difficulty using him:

1) He's a Commander with CMD 9. Even Krueger can use that if necessary.

2) He has Stealth while in forests. Find some terrain and plop him in there if you can.

3) Invoke Wilding is difficult to pull off. Save it for a last resort.

4) Without at least Vigilance, the Wayfarer Bomb is useless here. Therefore, only use Shifter when you need to grab an objective or need to completely reposition a significant portion of your army. Or you could sacrifice him just to delay or distract a portion of the enemy army. Just don't get upset when dies while doing that.

5) The running portion of Storm Beacon is fairly situational; how often can you not force your beasts or give an order to your troops? Really, the meat of this spell is the SPD+5" charge it gives your models. With his move, the Wayfarer can tag enemy models 16" away from him. Combined with Lightning Tendrils, a Warpwolf can have a 15.5" threat range on its charge.

6) The spray is good, but it's not worth over-extending yourself to get a shot on one or two guys. Be patient and keep him supported.

All of this means the Wayfarer is actually more valuable hanging around the majority of the army than out on a flank or teleporting to harass an unsupported element of the enemy's army. Keep him near most of your army so they can benefit from his CMD 9 and Storm Beacon when you use it. When not supported by his army, try to put him in a forest.

As far as replacements for the Wayfarer goes, in faction all you have is either a Sentry Stone (which you didn't like) or more Shifting Stones. There are also the Swamp Gobbers, a Feralgeist, Alten Ashley and maybe a minimum unit of Bonegrinders, Saxon Orrik, or Viktor Pendrake (I can't recall the points cost for these last three). Ashley, Orrik, and Pendrake are best against Hordes, and seeing the amount of Warmachine players you face, you might not want to take them. If they fit, I'd take the Bonegrinders for the extra 3" RNG on Krueger's spells. If not, the Swamp Gobbers provide a lot of denial in a small package. I'd go with them.

I can never remember the Bonegrinders' unit name. I keep thinking honey pot.

I never thought of using the Warden's animus to give the Wayfarer stealth. I might have to put that one into effect.

The Bonegrinders seem like a good idea. I may want to play-test them first before I commit to buying a unit though.

Silverwarrior88 wrote:I never thought of using the Warden's animus to give the Wayfarer stealth. I might have to put that one into effect.

It won't work. In order to get stealth, Prowl requires a model to be within a terrain feature that provides concealment or AOE of a spell providing concealment or AOE of a cloud effect. Animus is neither of these so the Blacklad won't get stealth.

I never noticed that distinction before. Nice!

I'm guessing that there are different versions of Prowl?

malfred wrote:I'm guessing that there are different versions of Prowl?

Nope. I just forgot it had to be a spell effect that granted concealment. I'll edit my post above.

Wow, my heart sinks deeper and deeper everytime I'm corrected.. I hate being new to this game!!!

Lol.. Anyway, so does that mean the Wayfarer will gain stealth if within on of the Druids' AOE's that grant concelment?

Summon Vortex creates cloud effects, IIRC. So yes, that would work.

I'm guessing that Undergrowth cast by a Warlock (not Beast Form Kromac) would trigger Prowl as it is both a spell and an animus in that case, but I've never considered that before.

WM/H are systems that require a very careful reading of all "words" within the rules. Sometimes you hate the system for that. Most of the time you love it because playing with words and rules is what allows us to create all those crazy combos that are the essence of the game.
Eg. why are Bone Grinders so great with Krueger? Because they increase the range of "warlock's spells" and not "spells cast by the warlock". And that little difference allows Woldwarden to spit 13" lightning...