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Hello everyone!

This is my first post.
I started playing the game 12 years ago. Took a leave of absence, and came back when 5th edition came out.
I find 5th edition less complex, and a lot more fun than 2nd and 3rd ed.

I'll be using this list to enter a couple of tournaments this year. I've been play testing it for the past month now. I've played against Orks, Nids, Tau, and Marines, with the record of 2-3-1 (mostly against staffs at GW and my local hobby store).

I want to know what you guys think, and what I should look out for when playing against other armies.

Here's the list:

HQ

Pedro Kantor
= 175

Troops

Tactical Squad #1
10 Marines
+ Meltagun, Missile Launcher, Serg. w/ Combi-flamer
= 185pts

Drop Pod
=35pts

Tactical Squad #2
10 Marines
+ Flamer, Melti-melta, Serg. w/ Power Weapon
= 185pts

Drop Pod
=35pts

Tactical Squad #3
5 Marines
+ Serg. w/ Combi-melta
= 100pts

Rhino
= 35pts


Elites

Terminator Assault Squad
4 TH/SS + 2 LC
= 240pts

Land Raider Redeemer (Transport)
+ Multi-melta, Extra Armor
= 265pts

Heavy Support

Vindicator
+Siege Shield
= 125pts

Vindicator
+Siege Shield
= 125pts


TOTAL = 1505pts



I've tried having only 5 Termies, and Drop Pods with Deathwind missile launcher. In 3 games out of 5, I never got the chance to shot at anything with the Deathwind (either out of range, or in assault). With only 5 termies, they die too quickly before the TH/SS get the chance to strike.
I've also tried switching termie chaplain with Pedro (of course, with chaplain riding with the termies).

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

- McSos88

Kantor is good with pod Sternguard.
Don't run just one LR anymore, there's a ton of anti-raider meta these days.
Termie squad is ok, but they need a raider, and that means 2 raiders.
The vindis will be the only practical targets on the table if your opponent gets first turn (5-man tac squad is not worth killing turn 1, LR will eat DS CSM terms, Seraphim, Podding dread, etc, later).

The list doesn't seem very coherent, which I think is its biggest problem.

The individual elements are good but don't seem to have much synergy.

Kantor + Drop Pods works, but ideally has podding (and scoring) Sternguard and maybe Dreads
Tac squads in Rhinos works, but you're better with a few full-size squads.
Small Tac squads work in Razorbacks, but again in numbers - if you put 6 marines or less in a Rhino, you need to ask why you didn't buy a Razorback (5pts more gives you a heavy weapon)
Assault Termis + LR's work, but one shot can immobilise or destroy the LR, at which point you've lost all use out of nearly 1/3 of your army. At 1500pts, Assault termis in LR's are an 'all your eggs in one basket' strategy.
Finally, Vindis are awesome They work well with armoured/mech lists as these give your opponent other things to think about thatn getting out of the way of hot pie!


I personally would go for swapping the pods for Rhinos, maybe lose 1 termi, and exchange Kantor for a cheap captain. Use the points to beef up your third Tac squad to full strength.

Hope this is useful!!
C_C

I find that tactical marines are just not as good (points for points) as troop choices other armies offer.

Here's my revised list:

HQ

Chaplain Cassius
= 125pts

Troops

Tactical Squad #1
10 Marines
+ Flamer, Melti-melta, Serg. w/ Powerfist
= 195pts

Drop Pod
+ Deathwind Missile Launcher
=55pts

Tactical Squad #2
10 Marines
+ Meltagun, Missile Launcher, Serg. w/ Power Weapon
= 190pts

Razorback
+ Lascannon & Twin-linked Plasma Gun
= 75pts


Elites

Dreadnought
+ Multi-melta & Heavy Flamer
= 115pts

Drop Pod
=35pts

Terminator Assault Squad
4 TH/SS + 1 LC
= 200pts

Land Raider Redeemer
+ Multi-melta, Extra Armor
= 265pts

Heavy Support

Vindicator
+Siege Shield
= 125pts

Vindicator
+Siege Shield
= 125pts


TOTAL = 1505pts

What do you do with the drop podding tac squad? It may seem stupid, but you've got half your scoring capacity in a potentially dangerous position, and I was just wondering what your plan with that was.

Shrike78 wrote:What do you do with the drop podding tac squad? It may seem stupid, but you've got half your scoring capacity in a potentially dangerous position, and I was just wondering what your plan with that was.

It will depend on how much stuff I can clear w/ the 2 vindies, and where my LR and the termies will be at the start of turn 2.
Ideally, I would like to use the pod to contest my opponent's objective (that's why it has a deathwind launcher on it), and use the 10-man squad to hold it for as long as possible.
The other 2 combat squads will stay near home to hold mine.