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2009/02/04 01:56:59
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Raging Ravener
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The Tyranid Physic power "The Horror" forces any enemy that wished to assault a creature with it to take a Moral Test.
The BRB states that any squad that fails a Moral test will immediately fall back.
The physic power is clear on the fact this this is a Moral test and not just a Ld test.
So am i right in reading that at a unit that wants to assault something with The Horror must pass a Moral test to assault as normal, but if they fail then they would Fall back?
The codex is mute on the result of a fail other an "must take a moral test, or may not assault that turn."
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2009/02/04 02:03:01
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Wicked Warp Spider
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psf3077 wrote:
The codex is mute on the result of a fail other an "must take a moral test, or may not assault that turn."
There is your answer, if they fail the moral test they can't assult...as to falling back I see no support for it beacause it just says they can't assult...I could be wrong though
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2009/02/04 02:08:23
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Raging Ravener
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I'm almost inclined to say that they would wall back,
In both the 4E and 5 R BRB a fail MORAL test is always a Fall back. The codex could just have easily said a Ld test. Besides a falling back could not assault anyway.
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2009/02/04 02:29:43
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Just to be a donkey, a failed MORAL test means you done something bad and unethical.
But yes, it seems that RAW, you would have to make a fall back move if you fail your morale test.
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2009/02/05 14:21:09
Subject: Re:The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Codex rules supercede the 40k rulebook, right?
His codex has an exception to the morale test, in which instead of having to take a normal morale test (which isn't taken at the beginning of assault except for his special rule) it takes a special test, the failure of which results in that unit not being able to assault. IE, they tried mustering the courage to assault and it didn't work. Doesn't mean that they run away, just means that they're not courageous enough to try assaulting it.
If you're going to force the BGB to supercede his codex rule and make the unit of space marines run after a failed morale test, then you must ALSO let the BGB supercede his Codex on when morale tests are taken: After losing 25% casualties, etc. Prior to assaulting is not one of them.
You can play one way or the other, but you can't combine both.
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2009/02/08 17:32:16
Subject: Re:The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I agree that the test only stops a unit from assaulting.
but it also does make a lot of sense for people to RUN away horrofied by the presence of the Hive Mind.
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2009/02/08 17:37:21
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The codex specifies what happens to the unit that fails their moral check, they may not assault this turn.
However, there is nothing in the codex that would override the brb of falling back.
If the codex or errata stated 'that instead of falling back, the unit may not assault' it would not fall back.
It's a permissive rule set. Unless it specifically states you can do something, you can't.
Since nothing in the codex states you don't need to fall back, brb kicks in and you fall back.
Now the only thing up for debate is this a 'general rule' (i.e. brb) overriding a 'specific rule' (i.e. codex), which could easily put you back at square one.
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2009/02/08 17:45:43
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Confessor Of Sins
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IMO "may not assault that turn" is quite enough to override the BRB. A unit falling back may not assault so if Horror (or the Inq version) made you fall back it would say so instead.
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2009/02/08 17:55:05
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Proud Phantom Titan
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You fail a 'Moral test' you will 'Fall back'. This is very broken ... but correct till it gets an FAQ
3 zoanthropes with Psychic scream and the horror could effectively block off an area add 2 Hive tyrants with Psychic scream and thats a nasty -5 to all LD test (with in 18" of them)...
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2009/02/08 18:12:34
Subject: Re:The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Its a tyranid specific morale check. Its got nothing to do with the morale checks you take in relation to the BGB and all its related reasons.
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2009/02/08 18:27:05
Subject: Re:The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Razerous wrote:Its a tyranid specific morale check. Its got nothing to do with the morale checks you take in relation to the BGB and all its related reasons.
It's not a 'tyranid specific morale check'.
It's a morale check triggered by something tyranid specific. Just like 25% casualties are and anything else that triggers a morale check.
And here is another thing. If it triggers a morale check, sm's could just elect to fall back as they can auto fail any morale check they are forced to take.
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2009/02/10 05:05:21
Subject: The Horror, Moral Tests, and Fall Back.
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Confessor Of Sins
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It's called a morale check, probably so Fearless units get to ignore it. It also describes what happens - the unit can't assault if it fails the check. Funny enough a unit can't assault if it falls back so that was a pretty useless specification unless it's all the power does.
Any tyranid player arguing for making units fall back can ofc do so. As there's nothing in the BRB about synapse I'll not believe him if his units try to autopass LD checks either. ;-)
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