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I was wondering if I should drop the Predator(destructor) for another Vindicator. I have enough points to get one and its time to go buy models. I dont want to get stuck with a predator I will never use. Suggestions would be appreciated.

(SM) 1850pts.

HQ: Forge Father Vulkan He'Stan = 190

Elite: [5] Assault Terminators = 440
-TH/SS x5, Land Raider Redeemer
***[Vulkan Attached]***

Troops: [10] Tactical Squad = 220
-Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino

[10] Tactical Squad = 220
-Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino

[10] Tactical Squad = 220
-Flamer, Missle Launcher or Heavy Bolter, Combi-Flamer, Razorback


Fast Attack: [10] Assault Squad = 240
-Thunder Hammer, Flamer x2

Heavy Support: [1] Whirlwind = 85

[1] Predator = 85
-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons

[1] Vindicator = 120
-Dozer Blade

I would rather see three whirlwinds or three vindis, but I am known to be obsessive about spamming like things.

Meh, you have the Mech, another vindi would be good, that much more in your face armor to worry about.

Right! vindicator looks alot more frightening than a predator and even though it has range problems, it will potentially do alot more damage than the predator. Anyone have an arguement for the predator?

I'd rather have a second Vindicator than a Whirlwind and probably the Predator too. Preds just seem so much less scary now that they can't really move around and unload all of their weapons.

I also really just feel like the Assault Squad is subpar. I guess its useful in that its fast moving though.

why a Redeemer? I feel like a Crusader with extra armor and a Multimelta would be better for you since it can shoot a lot more while its moving around to deliver those termies. Ido like the concept of the Redeemer though, and its pretty fluffy. It does need extra armor no matter what kind of LR it is though.

The redeemer flamestorm cannons do not gain a benifit from vulkan - just so you know.

Definetely keep the whirlwind. A pathfinder ranger squad sitting in area terrain can eat a vindi shell for breakfast where-as they will mostly always be compeltely wiped by a castellen round.

A second vindo would add some punch. You have autocannon/h.bolter equivelents elsewhere in the list. I also guess your resigned to a 24" AT threat range as you have no lascannons.

Yeah I cant make up my mind with my Vulkan list. Yes I know they dont gain any benifit but they are already powerful enough. Im actually thinking of dropping the whirlwhind and Assault Squad for another land raider. probly the redeemer =D ha nah ik yet. That going over the top I feel

The assault squad is screaming points sink to me!

What is their goal?

I'd suggest trading out the assault squad for some land speeders and then running 2 vindicators and a whirlwind or even 3 vindicators.

I'm not a big fan of multimeltas in rhinos, Missile launchers or plasma cannons have better range.

In reality if I'd face this list I would shoot for the vindicator first, disable, then the two rhinos & razorback.

With any luck I've just disabled your ability to get over to my table edge with more then half your forces. Next turn I start on the landraider, assault squad, or your tanks.

Now if you change out Vulkan for Lysander Dorn and change this to a long range anti seige army I think it could work.

Contrary to what people said here, I'd DROP the Vindicator, take more Predators because the list is lacking range (and is not compensating with speed) and then take more Multi Meltas, Meltas and Flamers, because I think that if you're playing Vulkan you better get more out of him. For example, make the Razorback Tacs identical to the other Tacs. And replace the Assault Squad with either Dreads or Land Speeders (all with Multi Meltas and Heavy Flamers).

If you don't mind I'll post my Vulkan list for compare/contrast, and to share some ideas:

Vulkan 190

Ironclad 190
Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod

[5] sternguard 140
Combi-melta, Combi-Flamer

[5] thunderhammer terminators 200
Land raider Redeemer, Extra armor 255


[10]Space Marine Tactical 205
multimelta, flamer, rhino

[10]Space Marine Tactical 205
multimelta, flamer, rhino

land raider 265
Extra armor

vindicator 115

Predator 85
Auto cannon and heavy bolters

Total 1850

OK, so the list works off the base that I don't need to capture all the objectives, just one more than the other guy. But I'll combat squad the tacticals as needed.

Ironclad drop pods on first turn targeting whatever is juicy/relevant, either (Twin Linked) heavy flaming troops (like pathfinders), or getting rid of any annoying armor, and throwing a big distracting force up front.

Sternguard hi-jack one of the rhinos and goes troubleshooting.

Las-Land raider tackles enemy armor / provides screen.

Vindicator moves forward and threatens just about anything.

Predator is usually everyone's lowest priority, and is tasked with either mob clean-up or low/mid armor removal.

Redeemer delivers Terminators + Vulkan wherever needed. (I've had games where they never even needed to disembark)

Tacticals provide some flexibility aside from grabbing objectives, bolter-fire + template against enemy troops, or melta against armor, whatever the situation calls for.

Not the most economical/optimized kill point army, but it has the same as yours (13 methinks), and it does hit like a ton of bricks.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:Contrary to what people said here, I'd DROP the Vindicator, take more Predators because the list is lacking range (and is not compensating with speed) and then take more Multi Meltas, Meltas and Flamers, because I think that if you're playing Vulkan you better get more out of him. For example, make the Razorback Tacs identical to the other Tacs. And replace the Assault Squad with either Dreads or Land Speeders (all with Multi Meltas and Heavy Flamers).

True, triple pred would be great here, I just didnt think he wanted that, since it seems he has limited funds and wanted something to compliment what he has.

BTW there are 16 weapons in my list that are affected by vulkan.

Why is extra armor a must for Land raiders? Im going to take it because with the redeemer i need all the movement I can get. I feel like extra armor is a rip off in 5th edition.

its 15pts to make 250pts worth of tank better. Only slightly better but still, better.

Add in the points of whats inside, the off chance those 15pts will prove useful, will b worth it.

It helps maintain your mobility, and with Machine Spirit, still firing one of your weapons.

Raz is one helpful man! Much appreciated guys. 2 Vindicators it is!