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Ok here is the question that came up in my last game. Eldrad Ulthran is in a Waveserpent on one side of the battlefield at the beginning of the Eldar turn, my Nob bikers are roughly 36-48" away. My opponent moves 24 inches directly towards my Nobs, mindwars the pain boy twice (hehehehe one mentally tough Painboy) who dies after failing 2 3+ cover saves from a total of 7 wounds caused by the two mind wars, then Eldrad cast Doom on my Biker squad, which still ended up suriving til the end of the game. But it was key in how I played my bikers and also how their other fights went. Regardless the question that came up was if the farseer could use a his powers after moving 24 inches or possibly 36 inches?

My opponent mentioned something about Eldar powers needing to be used at the beginning of their phase or something I dont have the codex on me. It maybe we just missed an obvious rule clearing it up, but its just something that seems a bit broken....rofl coming from a Nob Biker Player lol

Waaaaagh wrote:Ok here is the question that came up in my last game. Eldrad Ulthran is in a Waveserpent on one side of the battlefield at the beginning of the Eldar turn, my Nob bikers are roughly 36-48" away. My opponent moves 24 inches directly towards my Nobs, mindwars the pain boy twice (hehehehe one mentally tough Painboy) who dies after failing 2 3+ cover saves from a total of 7 wounds caused by the two mind wars, then Eldrad cast Doom on my Biker squad, which still ended up suriving til the end of the game. But it was key in how I played my bikers and also how their other fights went. Regardless the question that came up was if the farseer could use a his powers after moving 24 inches or possibly 36 inches?

My opponent mentioned something about Eldar powers needing to be used at the beginning of their phase or something I dont have the codex on me. It maybe we just missed an obvious rule clearing it up, but its just something that seems a bit broken....rofl coming from a Nob Biker Player lol

Doom, Fortune and Guide all have to be used at the beginning of the turn, before the Farseer is allowed to move.

Mind War is used in the shooting phase but requires line of sight, which is something that cannot be achieved while inside of a Wave Serpent as it has no fire points.


So in short, your opponent bamboozled you.

Awesome thanks rofl I knew it was something stupid. Thanks for the quick reply.

Also mind war is technically a shooting attack so it can only be done once per turn.

Yes, even the mighty Eldrad can only use one shooting power (ie Eldritch Storm and Mind War) in total per turn.

And being a shooting attack, it can't be used from inside a vehicle if the vehicle has moved more than 6"

huh? Since when can you not shoot from a vehicle moving 12"?

Can't Eldrad use more than one psychic ability?

with an iron fist wrote:Can't Eldrad use more than one psychic ability?

Yes he can, but there is no rule that allows him more than one shooting attack. So you've got to use those other powers at the start of the turn.

Eldra can use 3 psychic ability one of which may be one hes already cast (or tried to) ... but since he has no rule letting him fire multiple weapons he can use only one shooting attack per turn be it pistal, mindwar or Eldric storm

thanoson wrote:huh? Since when can you not shoot from a vehicle moving 12"?

Since July 2008........... ie 5th ed rules.

Also we have to assume that the eldar powers (and infacts its been FAQ this way) used in the shooting phase are "Psychic Shooting attacks" thus treated like a normal firing a normal ranged weapon with a few exceptions.. so firing from a vehicle is only possibly if the vehicle has firing point and has moved slower that crusisng speed in the preceeding movement phase.

As stated above, Eldar vehicles have no firing points, and thus models inside cannot draw line of sight to anyone, and can't shoot out of it.

Eldrad can use mind war twice since it says that it's "used instead of firing a weapong," instead of saying it "counts as firing a weapon." Plus Eldrad's staff is a special piece of wargear that allows him to "use a third psychic power per turn, which may be a psychic power he has already used that turn" if not in an assault, as codex rules trump BRB rules.

...and FAQ trumps codex, since it states it counts as a shooting attack. And you can only use one shooting attack per turn.

Tri wrote:...and FAQ trumps codex, since it states it counts as a shooting attack. And you can only use one shooting attack per turn.

But the FAQs aren't official, if they wanted them to be shooting attacks at all times they would have corrected it with errata.

Just because GW tells you can choose to disregard the FAQ doesn't make them any less official.

I think calling all the eldar psychic powers with the tag line... "This power is used in the shooting phase instead of firing a weapon" Psychic Shooting Attacks a pretty fair call.

Thus we read the related rules and find that things work out quite well.

Even without the FAQ its still crystal clear that mindwar is a shooting power since its used in the shooting phase instead of firing a weapon. Its not rocket science...

So you can't use it from a vehicle with no firepoint.
You can't use from a vehicle that has travelled too far.
And as sure as hell you can't use it twice because Eldrad can't shoot twice.

Eldrad being able to use more powers is nice but has nothing to do with the limits imposed by the shooting rules.