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If a piranha is destroyed or immobilized (and therefore destroyed), can you choose to have the gun drones be destroyed with the vehicle and avoid providing them as an additional kill point for your opponent?

No.

Skimmers are only destroyed when immobilized if they had moved flat out on the previous turn (pg 71).

Anti...he wasn't asking about that.

Centurian99 wrote:Anti...he wasn't asking about that.

While this is most certainly true, he did say this:

Ventus wrote:If a piranha is destroyed or immobilized (and therefore destroyed), ...

...and I didn't know if he knew what I had posted (easily overlooked, since skimmers were destroyed if immobilized in earlier editions).

Just trying to help

Also destroyed if immob as part of a squadron. Which Piranha's often are.

Touche salesman... touche!

Yes, I realize that skimmers (not moving flat out) can land if immobilized. Piranha skimmers do not have landing gear like the larger skimmers and are destroyed when immobilized (unless I have this incorrect - but this is the way it has been played in my local tournaments and game store (maybe this was a 4th edition issue that I am confusing with 5th)(I just looked and cannot find it in the codex). So can Piranha skimmers land when immobilized? Also, do you have the option of not taking the gun drones when you purchase a piranha (codex says they come with the vehicle so this is unclear to me).

Ventus wrote:Yes, I realize that skimmers (not moving flat out) can land if immobilized. Piranha skimmers do not have landing gear like the larger skimmers and are destroyed when immobilized (unless I have this incorrect - but this is the way it has been played in my local tournaments and game store (maybe this was a 4th edition issue that I am confusing with 5th)(I just looked and cannot find it in the codex). So can Piranha skimmers land when immobilized? Also, do you have the option of not taking the gun drones when you purchase a piranha (codex says they come with the vehicle so this is unclear to me).

EVERY skimmer, per the BGB, settles to the ground if immobilized & not moving Flat Out.

And if you buy a Piranha, you get the drones. No option to leave them behind.

On a similar note, if I have a piranha squadron of say 5 vehicles, and one gets destroyed, the gun drones cannot be considered destroyed but must separate and become a separate unit worth a kill point. Now if each turn as the piranhas move around the board one piranha gets destroyed releasing 2 gun drones as a separate unit (and kill point), by turn 6 the piranha squadron would have given up 6 kill points (1 for the squadron and 5 for five separate gun drone units). Is this correct or do I have this wrong? Do all the gun drones when dismounted from a vehicle act as one unit (and one kill point), even if physically separated from each other, or in the example provide 5 kill points worth of gun drone units?

Ventus wrote:On a similar note, if I have a piranha squadron of say 5 vehicles, and one gets destroyed, the gun drones cannot be considered destroyed but must separate and become a separate unit worth a kill point. Now if each turn as the piranhas move around the board one piranha gets destroyed releasing 2 gun drones as a separate unit (and kill point), by turn 6 the piranha squadron would have given up 6 kill points (1 for the squadron and 5 for five separate gun drone units). Is this correct or do I have this wrong? Do all the gun drones when dismounted from a vehicle act as one unit (and one kill point), even if physically separated from each other, or in the example provide 5 kill points worth of gun drone units?

By the rules, I believe that when one vehicle dismounts its gun drones, all vehicles in the squadron must do so as well.

I would agree if a vehicle in a squadron dismounts its gun drones that a rule that all the others must do so also is reasonable, but if a squadron of five piranhas has one piranha destroyed resulting in the gun drones dismounting, it would be bizarre to force the other four surviving piranhas to have to separate their gun drones.

Centurian99 wrote:

By the rules, I believe that when one vehicle dismounts its gun drones, all vehicles in the squadron must do so as well.

Centurian is right

When a piranha is destroyed or explodes, what is the procedure for the gun drones (I can not find it anywhere). Do the gun drones automatically dismount or is there a roll that needs to be made to see if they are destroyed with the vehicle? If the vehicle explodes would the gun drones have to roll to see if they are dhit by the explosion? Is this explained somewhere?

they act as passengers.

And all drones then disembark and become a unit. Check the FAQ

Thanks everyone. I just found the FAQ and it is clear about what you all have said. Makes me reluctant to even have a squadron of two piranhas because I find this rule annoying.

You can always take a squadron of 3+ piranhas, disembark the drones on turn 1, and basically get a 'free' gundrone unit.

Interesting point dietrich, I might just try that one.

If you arm the piranhas with Fusion Blasters, there's really no use for the Drones, since the pirahna and the drones would have different roles (anti-tank vs anti-infantry). The S5 shots from the drones could do something against light vehicles/rear armor, but you'll probably want them to focus on infantry.