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Hey everybody,
I haven't posted up an armylist in a while because I haven't been working on much armies lately, but I've just joined some of my friends in a tale of 3 gamers and I've decided to go with Chaos Space Marines.
The list is basically the lash set-up without the lash and it'll be in a Nurgle theme.

HQ
Daemon Prince - Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime - 155
Daemon Prince - Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime - 155

These are here because I don't want to do slaanesh and I don't like the lash so I've tried to make the list not so cheesy. These are the same points as a standard lash prince anyways.

Troops
Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Heavy Support
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225

Total:1990 I believe

I figured the obliterators would make the army pretty competitive, but they probably wouldn't be as cheesy as they are with the lash to bunch up enemy units for templates. I haven't played CSM before so any comments that could be made on the army would be appreciated. Please comment on whether or not this army is cheesy or not. I wanted a competitive force, but not the standard cheese list.

Thanks

Lucas

lucas wrote:
HQ
Daemon Prince - Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime - 155
Daemon Prince - Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime - 155

Troops
Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Plague Marines - 10 Marines, 1 champion w/powerfist, 2 plasmaguns
Rhino Transport
-335

Heavy Support
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225
Obliterator Cult - 3 Oblits - 225

Total:1990 I believe

Your 30 over. The DPs cost 175 a piece. Why so much plasma? Any real reason? Switch it to either 2x Melta (If you switch to all melta, this list stands and nothing needs to be really changed, and melta is better) or 1x Plas, 1x Flamer.

Oops!
Thanks for catching that. If these cost more than the lash than it is very underpriced.

Thanks for pointing that out for me.
Looks like if I switch plasma for the meltaguns I'll be able to make up those 30 points.

This is a tough list to beat, and can be just as competetive as a lash list, plus lash IS lame lol. I run something very similar for my 2000 pt .. just not quite so many obliterators ;P I love to take plasma on my plague marines when I can manage the points, but meltas will work just fine (some say better).

Also rhinos aren't entirely necessary with plague marines as they footslog with the best of em, and I don't like to use them cus they're easy kill points. Consider dropping them for a great daemon if you really wanna mess up your opponent ;P You have enough firepower to keep him covered if he comes in too early or even better .. use him as bait haha. But that's your call.

List is solid either way. Good luck mate

I'd say keep the rhinos if only as a barrier for your opponent to get through before he actually starts shooting the marines themselves.

A lot of people are packing the guns with high str or low 1p (Usually both) to take out models with high toughness and FNP. There are a lot of competitive builds with those things running around now like Nob Bikers and Dual Lash. So most are prepared for them. The Rhinos just add another layer they have to bust before they have start actually shooting the PMs themselves. The first 2 turn 12 inches is nice too, first turn 12 inches pop smoke, second turn 12 inches into some cover/behind LOS blocking terrain/ontop of objective.

Thats just it though, those lists that are packing such weapons will easily be able to take out a couple rhinos, and they'll be a top choice for shooting (easy kill points). But yet, so is a greater daemon, except that he's worth 2 less and in the end can end up being entirely more beneficial. Plus he's way harder to kill even shooting and simply does not die in CC. 3 MC on the table is a nasty and scary thing, whereas plague marines can always run and are STILL very hard to eliminate.

When it comes down to it, any other type of troop I'd consider fielding in rhino's but plague marines are top notch footsloggers.

While i agree that plague marines do work well on foot, a list like this needs to have rhinos. Without then it is too slow to be able to capture distant objectives and the scoring units risk getting bogged down in combat or outmanuvered. The risk of taking on 3 extra kill points is easily justified through the fact that you will perform better in the objective based missions.

The addition of a greater demon probably isnt the wisest choice for this army either. Not only does it require the sacrifice of one of the very expensive plague marine champions and is only realistically going to be able to participate in one combat each game, but without rhinos it is unlikely that it will be able to get into a favourable position when it manifests. Greater demons are best used with cheap and fast armies (using raptors or CSM in rhinos) where thay can be positioned to maximum effect.

It also amuses me that the OP is supposedly trying to avoid a 'cheesy' army and yet takes 2 DPs, 9 Oblits and 30 plague marines.

Thanks for the comments guys, You're all giving some good points for me to think about and I really see this list coming together.

It's funny someone brought up the GD because my list originally had one in it, but I had to cut it out to make points for other important things. My original reason for cutting it out was that without rhinos, I wouldn't be able to get the marines into a good position for the daemon to appear from.

I will still be making a GD model because this army will be expanding into a sizeable apocalypse force with a host of nurgle daemons and probably a plague tower so in the near future I'll have the GD as an option to swap in with the army list from time to time.

@Regwon, please note, I was going for a competitive/cheesy list with all of this, I just didn't want the standard cheesy CSM list which is why I haven't used the lash. Myfriends will be making nidzilla and multi land raider space marines for their armies so we've all worked a little cheese into our armies.

Thanks everyone.

Lucas

You have a pretty solid list going here,however I personaly dont care much for the 2 DP twins.
Maybe you could drop one DP for a Sorcerer,give him wind of chaos and stick him in a sqaud of PM's.
I also agree with Typeline concerning the plasma guns,IMO melta & flamer work nicely.
Still,you have a solid list and it should play well...now go forth and spread Papa Nurgles love.

Solid list. I would go with 2x melta instead of plasma though

Well, 9 Obliterators is overkill, 6 would suffice.
This would give you 225 pts to include a Termie squad with combi-meltas.