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related to the new Stormlord Datasheet.

A Stormlord has a transport capacity of 40 Models.
20 Models can shoot if transported.

Apoc rulebook has a chart on page 198 for transporting models with super-heavy vehicles.

Can a stormlord transport every type mentioned in the chart, since his datasheet says "models" ?
Would the amount of models able to shoot equal the space needed to transport?

A stormlord may indeed transport everything on the chart, they just each use up their required number of models. You could carry 4 sentinels in one for example.

Your second question is debateable. I could see it argued that the transport rules only apply to transport capacity because i dont think theres anything to say otherwise. For example: the stromlord says that 20 models may shoot and each sentinel is a model so they can all shoot. The apoc book gives details for transporting models other than basic infantry but thats as far as it goes.

Personally I would play it that models can only shoot equal to the space required to transport them, but i cant find anything to back this up by RAW, so you may have to house rule it.

Regwon wrote:A stormlord may indeed transport everything on the chart, they just each use up their required number of models. You could carry 4 sentinels in one for example.

Your second question is debateable. I could see it argued that the transport rules only apply to transport capacity because i dont think theres anything to say otherwise. For example: the stromlord says that 20 models may shoot and each sentinel is a model so they can all shoot. The apoc book gives details for transporting models other than basic infantry but thats as far as it goes.

Personally I would play it that models can only shoot equal to the space required to transport them, but i cant find anything to back this up by RAW, so you may have to house rule it.

Thougth so. Not received the new plastic kit yet, but i think if i add a ramp to enter with non-infantry models there would be no problem.

Personally, my aim is to use 50% of the models when shooting.
Because I believe the "spirit of the rule" is that half of the passengers may shoot.
Maybe the new IG codex has some influence on the stormlords datasheet. Heavy-weapon teams could turn out to be a debatable
unit as passengers of a stormlord if we really count them as 1 model.
Actually, GW admitted to forgot the front HB issue,looking forward if we get an errata.

But i want to see also others opinions on this.

1hadhq wrote:Personally, my aim is to use 50% of the models when shooting.
Because I believe the "spirit of the rule" is that half of the passengers may shoot.
Maybe the new IG codex has some influence on the stormlords datasheet. Heavy-weapon teams could turn out to be a debatable
unit as passengers of a stormlord if we really count them as 1 model.
Actually, GW admitted to forgot the front HB issue,looking forward if we get an errata.

But i want to see also others opinions on this.

Regarding the heavy weapons teams, they are not one model despite being represented by a single base, they are two models. This means you could only ever get at most 20 heavy weapon team bases into the vehicle (assuming there's options for multiple squads in a single super heavy) but it also means that if the vehicle was stationary 20 heavy weapons would be able to fire from it because there are 40 guardsmen in total.

Effectively it has 20 firepoints, so the rules allow 20 models of choice to fire and doesn't ask how big they are or how many guys are inside in total. Taking a smaller example, if you put six terminators in a chimera, the number that could fire from it wouldn't be any different from if there where 10 stormtroopers or something.

I don't really think 'spirit of the rules' can be said to be either way in this case.

Regarding the heavy weapons teams, they are not one model despite being represented by a single base, they are two models. This means you could only ever get at most 20 heavy weapon team bases into the vehicle (assuming there's options for multiple squads in a single super heavy) but it also means that if the vehicle was stationary 20 heavy weapons would be able to fire from it because there are 40 guardsmen in total.

Quite so, and quite tasty too, although somewhat lacking in manourvablity.

Yes, super-heavy transports can carry multiple units. Ie: 4 ten man Tactical squads or 2 twenty girl Battle Sister squads.

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote:Yes, super-heavy transports can carry multiple units. Ie: 4 ten man Tactical squads or 2 twenty girl Battle Sister squads.

SJ

I might be missing something but as far as I can tell each squad could also target entirely independently of both the vehicle and any other transported units meaning using your example the 4 tactical squads could blast 4 seperate units while the tank (being a super heavy) can also spread it's fire over a number of targets which are not necessarily the same as the models being transported.

Drunkspleen wrote:I might be missing something but as far as I can tell each squad could also target entirely independently of both the vehicle and any other transported units meaning using your example the 4 tactical squads could blast 4 seperate units while the tank (being a super heavy) can also spread it's fire over a number of targets which are not necessarily the same as the models being transported.

Your understanding of the rule appears to be perfectly in order here - as along as you're only firing a total of 20 models between the four squads that is.

Thanks for support

1hadhq wrote:related to the new Stormlord Datasheet.
Can a stormlord transport every type mentioned in the chart, since his datasheet says "models" ?
Would the amount of models able to shoot equal the space needed to transport?

So i have the chart on page 198 and the page 92 to allow multiple units. Very tasty.
Shooting related to models is ok if goes per model.


Another question:

Transported models in a moving super-heavy transport count as : stationary or moved?

Ouch, Stormlord with 4 Devestator squads inside. Mobile pillbox

Ifurita wrote:Ouch, Stormlord with 4 Devestator squads inside. Mobile pillbox

And still space for counter-assault troops if you stick with 5 men Devastor-squads.
In an "open topped" for embark/disembark vehicle...

Ifurita wrote:Ouch, Stormlord with 4 Devestator squads inside. Mobile pillbox

Five Longfang packs, taking up 25 'spaces', with 20 heavy weapons that can Split Fire at up to 10 different targets.

1hadhq wrote: Transported models in a moving super-heavy transport count as : stationary or moved?

The passengers would also count as having moved, unless theres some special rule that I'm not aware of.

Shoot only assault weapons?

SJ