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2009/02/24 20:17:28
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Nimble Pistolier
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with the new SM codex can special chapters such as Black Templars and Dark Angels take new options/upgrades such as vanguard squads and relic blades. it seems only fair.
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 Blood Angels strike force
 Glory for the first man to die!
the caption says " when there is something scary at the front, put something even scarier at the back." |
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2009/02/24 20:57:49
Subject: Re:question about chapters with their own codex.
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Camouflaged Zero
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No. New items/units are not available outside Codex: Space Marines. Differences between items (eg Storm Shields) are also not carried across, unless your opponents are happy for you to do so. Fifth Edition: What You See May Not Be What You Get.
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 Order of the Ebon Chalice, 2,624pts
 Officio Assassinorum, 570pts
 Hive Fleet Viracocha, 3,673pts
  562pts |
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2009/02/24 21:36:48
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Sister Vastly Superior
Gig Harbor, WA
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Unless it specificly directs you to the SM codex (i.e. "see C:SM for info")
Yes, it's unfair, but that's just GW's awkward "codex release policy"
It seems like SM gets updated every edition, and the rest just get picked at random.
See your nearest DE player for further info...
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2000 pts SoB.
 2000 pts Crimson Fists (WIP)
doomed-to-fight-until-killed-in-battle xenophobic psycho-indoctrinated super soldier warrior monks of an oppressive theocracy stuck in the past and declining while stifling under its own bureacracy and inability to react.
Vaktathi, defining Space Marines
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2009/02/24 22:08:10
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yep, in Tournament land, DA are restricted to their own Codex (cower before Sicarius, Azrael!). However, FAQ suggests that a gentleman's agreement might be reached regarding some issues like transport capacity and additional wargear.
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2009/02/24 22:23:07
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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The Angry Commissar wrote:with the new SM codex can special chapters such as Black Templars and Dark Angels take new options/upgrades such as vanguard squads and relic blades. it seems only fair.
No.
Every chapter has to stick with its own codex.
So Black templars,Blood Angels and Dark Angels can't use any new option in codex space marines.
Chapters in C: SM get full access, plus space wolves may get some options/upgrades if the official SW-PDF at the GW-site points for reference to C: SM.
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2009/02/24 23:48:34
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Nimble Pistolier
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wow thats the gayest technicality ever
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501 Agathonian Grenadiers
Blood Angels strike force
Glory for the first man to die!
the caption says " when there is something scary at the front, put something even scarier at the back." |
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2009/02/25 00:38:11
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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That it is. Thus I run my BA Assult Terminators all with LC's.
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2009/02/25 00:50:08
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Wicked Warp Spider
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The Angry Commissar wrote:wow thats the gayest technicality ever
Yup...the one reason I completely stopped collecting DA, I was so annoyed with the monstrosity that was the new rules in the SM dex and how none of them applied to me.
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"I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sence, we couldn't react to a lot of life." - Calvin and Hobbes
DukeRustfield - There's nothing wrong with beer and pretzels. I'm pretty sure they are the most important members of the food group. |
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2009/02/25 01:30:30
Subject: Re:question about chapters with their own codex.
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Lost Carcosa
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Well at least Deathwing can mix and match who has what with what, are Fearless.. can be Troops..First turn Deep Strike..
No, there is no benifit to DA at all. 
Lets not forget the boys in Chaos land didnt get updated Transport Capacities either for the same vehicles. Deamon and Witch Hunters got some rules like Machine Spirit, but no updated Transport Capacities either. I dont hear complaints from those ends.
This is just a tired whinefest over something that changed almost 4 months ago now. While ill admit for consistancy it is silly, it is simply the way it is. I wouldnt let it affect what army I played though. People play DA and BA because they are DA and BA.. not because they get all the coolest warger.
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2009/02/25 02:09:41
Subject: Re:question about chapters with their own codex.
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Marius Xerxes wrote:Well at least Deathwing can mix and match who has what with what, are Fearless.. can be Troops..First turn Deep Strike..
No, there is no benifit to DA at all.
Lets not forget the boys in Chaos land didnt get updated Transport Capacities either for the same vehicles. Deamon and Witch Hunters got some rules like Machine Spirit, but no updated Transport Capacities either. I dont hear complaints from those ends.
This is just a tired whinefest over something that changed almost 4 months ago now. While ill admit for consistancy it is silly, it is simply the way it is. I wouldnt let it affect what army I played though. People play DA and BA because they are DA and BA.. not because they get all the coolest warger.
Ya sorry bout that, had a mental slip there. Just doesn't make since to me how an edition change plus 1 new dex sends an army like DA from close to top teir to the bottom except for 1 build. Also didn't help that the last thing i got was AoBR and then a friend dumped another 20 orks onto me...
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"I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sence, we couldn't react to a lot of life." - Calvin and Hobbes
DukeRustfield - There's nothing wrong with beer and pretzels. I'm pretty sure they are the most important members of the food group. |
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2009/02/25 06:18:39
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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The Angry Commissar wrote:wow thats the gayest technicality ever
I know, it's frustrating.
My Warboss could easily loot both a Relic blade and a 3++ Storm Shield. He kills wearers of those between meals.
Still, the stupid rules don't let Warbosses have neither...
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In one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 6", kill a few guys with his flamer, assault 6", kill two more guys with his bayonet, flee 12", regroup when assaulted, react 6", kill one more guy with his bayonet and then flee another 12".
So in one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 42" and kill more than 5 people. At the same time a Chimera at top speed on a road can move 18"... |
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2009/02/25 06:27:24
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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The Angry Commissar wrote:with the new SM codex can special chapters such as Black Templars and Dark Angels take new options/upgrades such as vanguard squads and relic blades. it seems only fair.
Yeah, I'll trade you for death company, terminators as troops and the emperor's champion. Oh, and I'd quite like a chaplain thats slightly meaner than a vet sergeant like the old codexes get too.
Different book, different rules. Get over it.
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2009/02/25 11:31:04
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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1st Lieutenant
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just agree to a mini apocolypse game
Look I've got my DA chaplin leading some sterguard! oh the fun you can have. Untill the ork warboss dismounts from a monolith in front of you!
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2009/02/25 11:42:07
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Reaver83 wrote:just agree to a mini apocolypse game
Look I've got my DA chaplin leading some sterguard! oh the fun you can have. Untill the ork warboss dismounts from a monolith in front of you!
lmao that was hilarious! As for the statement about warbosses looting relic blades and storm shields. Man thats the truth. First trial run with my orks, my brother had that setup and my warboss walked through his force commander like he wasnt even there. It was great
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2009/02/25 19:49:43
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Reaver83 wrote:just agree to a mini apocolypse game
Look I've got my DA chaplin leading some sterguard! oh the fun you can have. Untill the ork warboss dismounts from a monolith in front of you!
Dude.
That's the stupidst thing I've ever heard!
Why would he dismount from the Monolith? He's SO much tougher while on it.
Pffft. N00b.
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Eric
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Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
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2009/02/25 22:11:03
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Yeah I really do not mind the changes because of the benefits I get such as DC and OCE on Baal preditors/rhinos. Its a nice thing. It's just the inconsistency is alittle frustrating.
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2009/02/26 17:36:53
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Nimble Pistolier
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yea this is true. i feel rele bad for DE cuz they havent been updated in 4ever (not that they deserve it)
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501 Agathonian Grenadiers
Blood Angels strike force
Glory for the first man to die!
the caption says " when there is something scary at the front, put something even scarier at the back." |
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2009/02/26 17:39:38
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Carrying the new rules over to DA and BA isn't too horrible. But, for BT, it'd be brutal. Two heavy weapons in the termie squads, six-man las/plas, and Assault Squads with Storm Shields. And Preferred Enemy for all!
Yeah, it doesn't quite feel right, but that's the way it is.
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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2009/02/27 20:17:02
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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The Angry Commissar wrote:yea this is true. i feel rele bad for DE cuz they havent been updated in 4ever (not that they deserve it)
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there codex isn't that old mate and they definately deserve a new one, I've answered this question b4 for u, i can see you don't trust me 
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 5500 pts Armagedon Deathskull Orks
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  4000pts Word Bearers, Company of Shadow, and Libation Bearers.
   2000pts Chaos Daemons.
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2009/02/27 20:45:57
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:The Angry Commissar wrote:yea this is true. i feel rele bad for DE cuz they havent been updated in 4ever (not that they deserve it)
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there codex isn't that old mate and they definately deserve a new one, I've answered this question b4 for u, i can see you don't trust me
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Actually its the Second oldest "current" codex out atm (Space Wolves being the Oldest on a technicality. The DE had a Second Edition Printing that added loads of stuff) so while an update is deserved, it is most certainly not wanted. Space Wolf Players like myself and all the DE players I know, are absolutely DREADING the new versions of our codex's, because we've had them for so freaking long we know what works and what doesn't, and we don't want a new codex to come along and break everything
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2009/02/27 23:53:33
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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OTH all the SW players and DE player *I* know can't wait for the new stuff to come out.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/28 00:06:25
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Lordhat wrote:OTH all the SW players and DE player *I* know can't wait for the new stuff to come out.
Models, yeah. Rules, Notsomuch.
Though if the Rumours about Wulfen, Blood Claws, Special Characters and The Unique Land Raider are true, I might not mind it too much 
Edit: I lol'd how you Specifically mentioned a Dark Eldar "Player" and not "Players" 
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2009/02/28 00:10:22
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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LOL I have met more than one, but I only know one. if the new models and rules are good enough I'll know two (If I counted myself).
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/02/28 00:10:47
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/28 02:55:58
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Lieutenant General
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Waaaaaaagh! wrote:Actually its the Second oldest "current" codex out atm (Space Wolves being the Oldest on a technicality. The DE had a Second Edition Printing that added loads of stuff)...
It's the oldest current codex. A 'second edition' that barely added a single page worth of material that didn't even change the product code is not a 'new' codex.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2009/02/28 18:21:47
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Ghaz wrote:Waaaaaaagh! wrote:Actually its the Second oldest "current" codex out atm (Space Wolves being the Oldest on a technicality. The DE had a Second Edition Printing that added loads of stuff)...
It's the oldest current codex. A 'second edition' that barely added a single page worth of material that didn't even change the product code is not a 'new' codex.
Any Content added means it Was a New codex.
If I Have a Encyclopedia, then Republish it with an Extra Page, its a New Version of the Encyclopedia, and newer than a Different Encyclopedia that was published between the 2
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2009/02/28 20:32:48
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Stormin' Stompa
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So what, Waaaaagh?
Semantics? Check.
Real life effect? No new codex.
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2009/02/28 20:37:39
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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The Hammer of Witches
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I think that is the most egregious use of capitals I have ever seen on this board.
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2009/02/28 20:56:42
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Bookwrack wrote:I think that is the most egregious use of capitals I have ever seen on this board.
Why thank you, I Pride myself on Randomy Putting in Capitals when they are not Needed.
And it may be Semantics, but it's still Valid.
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2009/03/01 01:27:50
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Stormin' Stompa
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But does it really matter who has the oldest codex?
You are just reinforcing that old internet rule; "I cannot be arsed to help, but I'll correct anything, anytime, anywhere."
As an aside. A friend of mine used to log in using a different account and answer his own questions way wrong. He found that it always ensured several peoples participation.
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2009/03/01 14:07:17
Subject: question about chapters with their own codex.
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Nimble Pistolier
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its ok that you use unneeded capitals because you're from Ireland. GO IRELAND!!!!!
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501 Agathonian Grenadiers
Blood Angels strike force
Glory for the first man to die!
the caption says " when there is something scary at the front, put something even scarier at the back." |
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2000 points