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Ok......I I'm happy with the core of this list but I can't decide what to take to finish it out.....

HQ- 2 Lash Prince

Troops- 2x 7NM and AC(7 sonic Blasters/PW/Doom Siren/Rhino Transport)

Troops- 1x 8NM(7 sonic blasters/Blastmaster/??Rhino??)

Heavy- 2 Obliterators

This leaves me 220 if I take a rhino for the Blastmaster squad or 255 without it.....

Here's what I got to fill the void with...

3 dreads(all CCW arms)
2 Defiler(reaper/CCW arms)
few more NM(enough to make all 3 squads 10)
Bunch of CSM(4 meltagunners/6 BP and CCW/4 plasmagunners/2 AC with fist/2 icon bearers)
10 Raptors(2 meltagunners/AC with PW/ MoS)
10 Daemonettes
Greater Daemon

I was thinking maybe a small chosen squad with 4 plasma or melta and giving them the rhino or maybe 8 or so raptors all kitted out......
I pretty well got hordes covered with all the blasters and sirens.......got a little anti-tank/big stuff with the obliterators, sadly I don't own anymore or they would finish out the list.......I generally like playing with 3 dreads/2 Defilers but I decided to try something different and not use them or the dreads which are seriously under used by chaos players IMO.........

Tourney is Saturday, thanks for helping out!

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hmm being as your not using PM or nearly enough Oblits I would be tempted to say take the Summoned Greater Daemon and a Defiler, also drop a PW in one of your NM Squads and try and work in a fist with the squad on foot prehaps also drop the doom siren as he is going to die to summon the GD.

The should use up your remaining points.

Also mind telling me how the army works out for you, I've got 3 Squads of PM and 6 Oblits in my 1500 2 Lash list and i am debating the viability of NM w/ Sonic Weapons over them.

Alot more firepower vs hordes.........I5 on the charge is VERY solid and the doom siren.....well here is an example........lash a squad of MEQ close......you can get like 8-9 of them under the template with ease.........wound on 3+ and by the time you get done with Sonic Blasters, you kill like everyone. I've taken out a full 10 man squad of PAGK before, 6-8 marines is very reasonable, then charge and kill the remaining 2-4 with 4 I5 PW(AC)......and 14(NM) regular attacks......NM are VERY sound..........

The main difference is the lack of plas/melta spam in the NM roster.....making it slightly more vulneralbe to MECH armies.......but I beat 2 Mech space marine lists in the last tourney with ease...........but lost to Mech DE....they have way more manuverabliity than MEQ, that's why I decided to try out the obliterators again......and I swapped the 3rd AC for the Blastmaster guy in NM squad #3.....

Are you playing 1500 pts? You need pie plates with the lashes.

2 lash princes
2 units 6 NM- sonic weapons, champ- doom siren & power w., rhinos
6 NM- sonic weapons, blastmaster, rhino
2 defilers
2 oblits
5 chosen 4 plasma guns, Icon chaos glory

1500 pts

yeah it's 1500...... I'll playtest this list tonight and see how it goes vs Nidzilla.......ty

Phillip

just2fierce wrote:yeah it's 1500...... I'll playtest this list tonight and see how it goes vs Nidzilla.......ty

Nidzilla is a hard match-up for a lash army.
How did it go?

I'm sorry but this is not a good list imo. If you want to go dual-lash-filth then do it properly.

Noise Marines with BMs are 60 points (+% of transport etc) and are essentially heavy weapons... Ie they suck compared to oblits. If you want to go assault (which this kind of is) then there are better options than dual lash with this list as you will get 1-2 lashes per games and they're really not worth it just for that. I may take 1x lash and WT

2 Oblits is just not enough for the make-up of the dual lash - you needs templates - that is the point.
BMs suck compared to oblits and are single wound, heavy weapons in power armour

The dual-lash list is so now and really is the most boring list to play ever for both you and your opponents. Believe me, it was my list last year.

If you are gonna do it then you MUST have (IMO of course!)

2DPs
6 Oblits (Defiler are pointless here as every bit of AT will go for them as you have nothing else if you take 1, take 3 (or maybe 2 but 1 is pointless IMO))
3 Troops squads (I would say either 2xpm + zerkers or 2 PMs & NMs)
Rhinos to block terrain if possible

I'm sorry to say that in a competitive setting, this lists needs rethinking. You could go 3x NMs and it might work but drop the BMs and take more oblits.

WingWong has got it half right...sort of.

You NEED more anti-tank. 2 obilts and 2 demons princes isnt nearly enough. Spend all your remaining points on oblits.

Dont bother putting the blastmaster in the NM squad, if youre giving them a rhino then you dont want to give them a blast master.

People are still thinking that you only use lash for grouping large units together. You dont. You use it to re-deploy your enemies army to a layout that suits you more (and grouping squads together, moving things off objectives/out of LOS/into charge range). Because your army is fast and can do a lot of damage but has a low model count, you want to be moving things that are very effective in combat and have good anti-infantry shooting away from you so you can soften them up with obliterator fire to deal with them later.

Its an alright list although you really do need to get some more oblits.

I think the OP wants to fill gaps and points in his army with what he has, not what he needs to get.

Hand of Dume wrote:I think the OP wants to fill gaps and points in his army with what he has, not what he needs to get.

More Oblits

I kind of agree with Regwon about moving your opponents to your advantage. However, realistically, your demon princes will be dead or in combat as you are going for a mid range/assault list with flamers so will more than likely be closer.

The advantage of the 6 oblit list/pm/nm is that you get a few more turns of lashing as you're normally sit back more.

I will repeat though,

More Oblits

THinking about it, I would go with one prince with Warptime or a sorceror with lash in a rhino (you can lash out of rhinos) with an assaulty list.

Lash princes with WT are scary good in experience

With just what you have, I would probably change your list and make it more mech/big stuff based using the defilers and GD

Playtested vs Nidzilla and Crimson Fists Pedro list last night.....with the following list

HQ- 2 Lash Prince

Troops- 2x 8NM and AC(7 sonic Blasters/PW/Doom Siren/meltabombs/Rhino Transport)

Troops- 1x 8NM(7 sonic blasters/Blastmaster/rhino)

Heavy- 2 Obliterators
Heavy- Defiler

I decided to try just beefing up the NM squads and throwing in the Defiler.........
Vs Nidzilla variant.....we roll Spearhead/Seize Ground.....OK, I am happy with this..... I managed to hold my objective with the Blastmaster squad only having 4 guys left and lashed his 20 man gaunt squad off his on the last turn.....
High points.....Lashing his Broodlord/stealer retinue every trun and keeping them virtually out of the game, I got 2 10 inch moves and 1 11 in the first 3 turns.......1 NM squad/Defiler held 2 fexes in combat for 3 turns....denying him alot of firepower.....

vs the Pedro Crimson Fists we roll annihilation/DoW......I manage to table him in 5, leaving only 2 drop pods on the table......Doom Siren rocks vs marines........ Blastmaster unit pinned a sternguard unit for 2 consecutive turns......

Yes multiple plasma cannon templates are very good with lash/ I know lists seems a little ligt on anti-tank.....I am playing vs PAGK tonight with 2 Land Raiders and I'm gonna prolly try a meltagun packing chosen unit with rhino or 10 man Raptor squad with 2 meltas instead of above loadout! Tourney is tommorrow so...........not much more time......

There are other ways to play lash than with 9 oblits/Plague Marines and still win.....I'm 5-1-1 in tourney play with my army and have never fielded more than 2 obliterators with my NM..........

thanks for that write up, you've given me some food for thought with my own Lash army for a tournament, i'm running the PM/6Oblit list at the moment and its met with some success however I did lose very badly to an Ork and a Kasarro Khan Army today, it still puts the list at 5-4-2 so i'm not to sure, your way is sounding alot better, PM are good and all but just not as damaging as the other Cult choices, have you considered running to units of NM and a tarpit Nurgle squad (to go this is my objective and its staying mine), any thoughts on this?

If I ever decide to add some Plague Marines, I would use them in just that way, but I'm trying to stay in a pure Slaaneshi theme.....my defilers are even pink....lol

Using the NM instead makes you alot better off vs hordes and MEQ.....ok Lash a bike squad close.....16 storm bolter shots from the NM and a nicely placed Template that wounds on 4+ and they get no save from.....charge in and I5 from 16 attacks from dudes and 4 from AC with PW......this is from a 9 man squad.....or vs horde....24 storm bolter shots from a distance...alot of dead orks or bugs!!

I just play more aggressively than most lash players I guess.....I don't like reacting, I'd rather make the opponent react to me!!

99MDeery wrote:, i'm running the PM/6Oblit list at the moment and its met with some success however I did lose very badly to an Ork ?

Did you roll badly? This is one of the best anti-ork- horde armies there is... Maybe with NMs instead of PMs (2/1) but you should steamroll orks unless they kill the princes very early with lootas or whatever

Against the Khan Army, hell did I roll badly, Khan and his command squad bounced and out of 8 PF attacks 2 hit and one wounded.

Same with the Orks, it was an Ork Horde w/ Ghaz army, Ghaz had a massive unit of nobz and the rest was just Ork boyz, I made a few mistakes here and their but I just got swamped, however lashing a unit very close together and unleashing 3 TL Flamers doesnt exactly bode well for the Orks at all, 17 Wounds 15 Dead half a unit gone from one unit shooting, still trying to decide the best Anti Nob tactic with the army.

Again J2F you've given me some food for thought I may try the NM units purely because I am quite agressive with my army too I like having units in the enemies face rather than having them march across the table to me.

well, Tourney was today....played list as follows....

HQ- 2 Lash Prince

Troops- 2x 8NM and AC(8 sonic Blasters/PW/Doom Siren/Rhino Transport/meltabombs)

Troops- 1x 8NM(7 sonic blasters/Blastmaster/Rhino)

Heavy- 2 Obliterators

Heavy- Defiler(reaper/CCW)

Played against 2 CSM armies, one cron army and an all khorne daemon list......
Round one was CSM mixture with 3 oblits/PM/Zerkers/Havocs/CSM..........massacre for me.....it was kp/Pitched battle.....
Round two was crons.....capture and control......list was deceiver/30 warriors and 14 destroyers....game ends in a draw
Round 3 was Khornate Daemons.....Seize ground/Spearhhead.......he had skulltaker/32 bloodletters/DP/Soul Grinder/Bloodthirster....... at the end of the game I had 2 rhinos and a DP......he had a bloodthirster with 1 wound remaining, it was a very....very bloody draw....had he not gotten every single unit in on turn 2, prolly would've been different outcome.....just a few too many guys all at once.......
Round 4 was Khornate CSM with 2 dreads/3 rhinos/3 defilers/DP......massacre for me on turn 5.....all he had left was a single rhino that ran away from everything

so now my record in 3 tourneys is 8W-1L-2D.....I haven't lost to a MEQ army yet and they are far and away the most popular army out there......Had I had slightly better luck vs the daemons getting every single unit in on turn 2 things in that game would've been significantly different........vs the crons.....just a hell of a game with him rolling very well and me not rolling well at all....I failed lash test 2 times with the same DP, on turn one it would've given me charge distance with anything more than 5 inches......

Ended up 4th out of 26? players......the cron player I drew went 3W-0L-1D and won.....CSM very large infantry squads was 2nd and 3rd was Leigon of the Damned themed marined beating me by one point....

Congratulations and good job.

But you haven't faced top tier armies in your play tests and in the tournament. Nidzilla, 30 Assault Termies, Bossbikaz are all hard to stop with your list.

After playing with them yesterday and seeing all the crap they blew up, I ordered 4 more oblits this morning.....They shot the hell out of stuff and ended up being not so crappy in CC either but I think 6 will be the most I'd ever use....

30 assault terminators........? Well what else does the list consist of? Seems like with 30 termies the rest of the list would be really squishy......kill scoing units in obj games and use lash to control 2 of the termie squads....

So long as your opponents don't clue in and send assault troops after your Obliterators, you should be okay.

By the way, could you please write in sentence using commas and periods? Your posts are difficult to follow.

just2fierce wrote:30 assault terminators........? Well what else does the list consist of? Seems like with 30 termies the rest of the list would be really squishy......kill scoing units in obj games and use lash to control 2 of the termie squads....

Yeah bingo. The only point of contention is if they have a librarian with null zone or whatever its called and however it works.


btw: Despite everyone complaining about your writing style, its clear enough to understand what you are saying.

I've only played vs librarians with gate, how exactly is null zone worded? On the "Gate" note though, gating sternguard around is pretty nasty!