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Eldrad
Farseer Guide
Accompany 20 Man Guardian w/ Conceal and Bright Lance

Fast Attack
9 man Warp Spiders + Exarch w/ Dual Spinners

9 man Warp Spiders + Exarch w/ Dual Spinners

9 Man Warp Spiders + Exarch w/ Dual Spinners

H. Support

Warwalker x 3 Scatter
WarWalker x 3 Scatter
Warwalker x 3 Scatter


What about this does not work fundamentally? What should I add? would this fit in 2000 points seems like it would

First off, you need 2 troop choices. So either you add in another one or you split the guardians into 2 different squads.

The next thing to look at is hand to hand. If your opponent shows up with a mobile hand to hand army, you are going to be screwed. The only thing you have that has any semblance of being able to deal with hand to hand would be the warp spiders and that's because you could get them hit and run so they could get out of hand to hand.

Two words: Land Raider. If someone shows up with a land raider, it's game over for you. You have no good way to hurt it and only 2 ways to hurt it at all (eldrad and/or the farseer in hand to hand). So you may want to take that into consideration, particularly with the rising popularity of land raider spam armies.

Finally, what is your plan for objectives? I'm certain that you could hold your own objective in a 2 objective mission (barring the afore mentioned land raider being present). You could also have a good chance at contesting the enemy objective. However, you are going to be in for some rough times in missions with 4 or 5 objectives. You simply don't have enough troops to cover that much area and the ones you have are rather frail so the enemy could just concentrate on killing them and ensure a draw regardless of what you do after that.

So all in all, this build will probably do well in kill point missions but it is going to struggle in other situations. Rolling the buckets of dice should be fun though.

As a strong core to cover most bases getl;

Eldrad
2x3 warwalkers. (1 with scatter lasers, one with eml's)
Falcon + holofields
6 fire dragons.


I think that comes to roughly 900pts. Get troops to do the job that the warp-spyders were doing (although w/ less fire) in the way of 6-9 guardain jetbikes with 2-3 shuriken cannons. Two sqauds of bikes & one of warp-spyders sounds more reasonable. Warp spyders are also awesomely mobile, so much so that being engaged in h2h should never be an issue bar against 12" charge range beasts.

If your not too worried about killpoints.. 1-2 model squads of vypers with EML's provide a good amount of lack-ranged nusience fire. Well..65pts for a very mobile bs3 10/10/10 EML. Ahh you could always try 3x EML+shuriken cannons for 225pts. = 9str 6 shots & 3 str 4 ap4 blasts/str 8 ap 3 shots. But again I feel squadron rules suck.

I just like warpspiders also this is not a complete list.

I think

Eldrad
2 x 3 squad Warwalker

2 Squads of Warp Spider

Hollismason wrote:
Eldrad
2 x 3 squad Warwalker

2 Squads of Warp Spider

That's a bit better. Now think about what Troops choices will be holding your objectives etc. While you've got a decent firebase with the Warwalkers, and a mobile element with the Spiders, you still need two things: More anti-infantry shots from your firebase, and (relatively) stalwart defenders. 2x Guardians with further scatter lasers or an EML will do you well to mix in short-ranged S4 firepower with your S6 barrage. You may want either a min-sized Pathfinder Squad to hold your home objective, or another unit of Guardians, depending upon your play style. Given your choice of volume fire so far and lack of anti-tank weaponry, I would suggest more Guardians. Their EML will still force pin checks like the Pathfinders, and the superior numbers and ton of shuricats will come in handy as you advance towards mid-field objectives.

Once troops are taken care of, a Wraithlord with BL/EML will up your anti-tank potential (very lack as Phoenix points out) and reinforce your line. If you have the points left, an Avatar will round out your list nicely, making the Guardians stick around while also soaking fire from your Warwalkers and/or Wraithlord. As a cherry on top, the Wailing Doom could help with those pesky Land Raiders as well.

So something like

Eldrad

Elites

7 Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent

7 Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent


Troop

10 + 2 w/ Conceal w/ bright Lance

7 Rangers

10 Dire w/ Wave

10 Dire w/ Wave

Fast

Warp so 8 + Exarch( I want 20 shots)

Warp ( same )

H. Support

BL Wraithlord

3 War Walker Scatter

3 War Walker Scatter

The problem of playing a list that is based on so many high-strength shots is to bring all shots to bear at the same time.
Here Warwalkers and Vypers may serve you better than Warp Spiders.

What kind of load out could I get on the cheap with Vypers? Can you get a 3 man squad with Shuriken Cannon and bring that same volume.


My problem is that ballistic skill makes them semi not worth it.


Also I deep strike Warp Spiders generally. or have them follow up the wave serpents.


Eldrad 210

War Walkers 180

War Walkers 180

WraithLord 130 ish

ELite


Warp Spider 200

Warp Spider 200


My problem is I definitely want 2 Squads of Fire Dragons and at least 1 squad of Dire Avengers.

I am thinking of adding duel EMLs to each war walker from a squadron good idea or bad?

God idea for some antitank, which you are lacking...

I'd give the Warwalkers scatter laser, the best weapon for the bugs.

Eldrad could guide both Warwalker squadrons, but the Vypers would need guidance too. This could be achieved by a Farseer on jetbike.

Deep striking is risky in 5th ed. I'm not a fan of two large Warp Spider units.

Hollismason wrote:Eldrad
7 Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent
7 Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent

10 + 2 w/ Conceal w/ bright Lance
7 Rangers
10 Dire w/ Wave
10 Dire w/ Wave

Warp so 8 + Exarch( I want 20 shots)
Warp ( same )

BL Wraithlord
3 War Walker Scatter
3 War Walker Scatter

Much better list all round. You have enough troops with enough mobility to capture objectives and you still have a good amount of long range fire power. Tanks will also no longer just roll over you.

Using twin missile launchers on the war walkers is a viable option. You either lob lots of templates or you shoot a good number of high strength shots. The only down side is that it's expensive, but you get what you pay for. Try one squad of each and see how you like them.

Yeah, this list looks quite good.
However, I'd think about replacing one Warp Spider unit by a squadron of 3 Vypers.

Id say replace the warp-spyders with (MOAR) war-walkers & replace the brightlance wraithlord with a TL-brightlance wave-serpent for the guardains. Perhaps equipping the guardains with either a v.cheap shuriken cannon or getting some storm-guardain meltas in.

Wraithguard & static guardains seem a bit odd-job. Transported guardains w/ a TL-brightlances costs you roughly the spame points but meshes the two more effectively, esp concidering the rest of the army.

The 3rd squad of war-walkers could act as vanguard duty or outflank to join the pathfinders (whom infiltrated) on a flank (or fire from the other flank with superior ranged weapons, if you roll poorly) - This is all in relation to phoeonixes most recent post, quoting Hollismason

I really just like warp spiders .


Anyway Dropping the Wraithlord and one Wave Serpent for a Falcon for a transport of 6 Fire Dragons seems viable and a cheap replace ment.

Then Having 1 squad of War Walkers w/ EML one Squad w/ Scatter.

So

Eldrad

6 w/ Exarch Fire Draogns in / Falcon

7 + Exarch in Wave Serpent

troops

10 Dire Avengers w/ Exarch Blade Storm w/ Wave Seprt

10 Dire Avengers w/ Exarch w/ Wave Serpent

7 Rangers

12 Man Guardian w/ Bright Lance w/ Warlock Conceal


Fast Attack

Warp Spiders 200 points

Warp Spiders 200 Points

H. Support

3 War Walkers w/ Scatter

3 Walkers w/ EML


I can't access my Eldar codex but that seems to be under 2000

12 Man Guardian w/ Bright Lance w/ Warlock Conceal

I claim that you don't need this squad. You have two DA units protected by Serpents and one Ranger unit.
I'd add a Wraithlord.

The falcon takes up[ my last h support plus with the falcon i get a little more antitank.

I like the guardian squad as with eldrad attached and conceal its pretty difficult little squad.

Granted I could probably instead have 6 jetbikes and a Warlock if I worked on the points some. I need something additional to
in my back field to hold objectives.

I think 6 bikes plus two shuriken cannons plus warlock with conceal and a sing spear woud be nice.


I dont have my point totals I am at my station right now and stuck here on the ambulance.