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situation:
a squad of wyches with an attached archon (not wych archite!) is figthing a squad of space marines with an attached chaplain.
the chaplain is in base to base contact with the wyches and the archon.
the archon is in base to base contact with the SM and the chaplain.

in the dark eldar codex it says:

- "No member of a unit fighting the Wyches in close combat counts as being equipped with an additional close combat weapon."

- "All enemies with an unmodified Strength below 6 halve their WS characteristic (rounding up) for attacks made against the Wyches. Models with a strength of 6 or more are unaffected."

the second point is pretty clear.
but about the first point,
1. if the chaplain chose to attack the archon, does he get the additional attack?
2. if he was not in base to base contact with the wyches, but only with the archon, would he get the additional attack?
3. if the SM attack the archon do they get the additional attack?

IMO "fighting the wyches" would mean "allocating attacks to the wyches," so the Chaplain, or any SM would only lose their bonus attack if they allocate attacks to the wyches.

Yes, while the wording has substantially changed in the rulebook since the codex was written I would alse say that the models attacking the Archon are fighting him, not the wyches.

Although since wych weapons applies to the unit, not to a model, if even one marine attached the wyches then the whole unit would get effected by wych weapons.. which is pretty much a sure thing since its almost definate that at least some of the marines would be only in base contact with the wyches.

Hymirl wrote:Yes, while the wording has substantially changed in the rulebook since the codex was written I would alse say that the models attacking the Archon are fighting him, not the wyches.

Although since wych weapons applies to the unit, not to a model, if even one marine attached the wyches then the whole unit would get effected by wych weapons.. which is pretty much a sure thing since its almost definate that at least some of the marines would be only in base contact with the wyches.

Sooo.... are you telling us here that the Archon would not benefit from the "wargear granted bonus?" even though he is part of the unit?

frgsinwntr wrote:

Hymirl wrote:Yes, while the wording has substantially changed in the rulebook since the codex was written I would alse say that the models attacking the Archon are fighting him, not the wyches.

Although since wych weapons applies to the unit, not to a model, if even one marine attached the wyches then the whole unit would get effected by wych weapons.. which is pretty much a sure thing since its almost definate that at least some of the marines would be only in base contact with the wyches.

Sooo.... are you telling us here that the Archon would not benefit from the "wargear granted bonus?" even though he is part of the unit?

I think he means that any unit (not model) attacking a wych in CC is affected by wych weapons. Wych weapons only affect the model carrying them, but if you buy them you have to buy them for the whole unit. Right?

frgsinwntr wrote:Sooo.... are you telling us here that the Archon would not benefit from the "wargear granted bonus?" even though he is part of the unit?

An archon is an independant character, as such when attacks are worked out he is not part of the unit. So yes, thats exactly what I'm saying.

I personally think the first point should apply to any unit in close combat that is engaged with the wyches and has even 1 member able to direct attacks towards them.

This is because I consider it a neater option when compared to the idea that space marine bob can attack the wyches while space marine larry attacks an entirely seperate unit and larry is penalised for bob's attacks.

And I'm pretty sure it's fairly open to a given player's interpretation of "fighting the wyches"