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i recently have gotten back into 40k and tried to put together a blood angels army list yesterday. after looking through the online 5th edition "updated" army list on the GW website for the blood angels, i noticed that there were a bunch of things that are significantly different from the 5th edition space marine codex. do you use the SM rules for the psychic hood (24", only used when psy test passed) or the BA rules (no range limit, used when power activated regardless of test)? some other differences are storm shields (3+ save in SM, 4+ in BA), drop pods (BS 4 and 35pts in SM, BS2 and 50!!pts in BA), narthecium (FNP for squad in SM, ignores 1 wound in BA), etc. from what i can tell, you'd have to go with the BA RAW since the file is supposedly updated for 5th edition. the only other option is to just ignore the file and use the SM codex completely instead. mixing and matching doesn't seem legal.

p.s. don't get me started on the complete disappearance of generic sanguinary high priests from the hq section... grumble, grumble... ***looking at $30 of models and time spent converting wasted***

Yes.

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You can use either rules, just let your opponent know and so long as you dont't try to pick and choose between the rules no one has any reason to complain.

Jack

You are correct. You can play them out of the BA codex and have different wargear OR play them out the SM codex and lose Death Company, VAS, Baal Predators etc.

Unlike a chinese take-out, you can't choose one from column A and one from column B.

Also realize that the BA HQs are a little better off as well, both due to wargear (like the psychic hood) but also on the stat line.

Personally, I'd use the Blood Angels codex. Death Company with Jump Packs make up for the uncreased cost. And assault Squads as troops is just beyond awesome.

And yes losing a generic High Priest is a shame, but what you really wanna use is Lemartes. Jump pack Chaplain with Death Company is just insanely crazy. In 1500 you can easily get 4 or 5 5-point DC, 2000 you should get 6 maybe 7. They act as a huge fire magnet, and have FNP so are hard to shift too.

Corbulo can lead the death company, and synergizes with Dante so well, that the only reason you'd take another character is if you're taking Mephiston for his LD10 psychic hood to counter lashes.

Honestly though Blood angels do have that problem of being essentially a Public Play test Codex (as was the Dark Angels) for a new Space Marine codex. The Special Characters are too cheap for what they do and there is no reason to take a Generic Character at any time in my most humble opinion.

I always find it intresting how BA and DA players like to whine about the stormshields but never complain that their chaplians and libarians have a better stat line than a veteran sergeant....

Hymirl wrote:I always find it intresting how BA and DA players like to whine about the stormshields but never complain that their chaplians and libarians have a better stat line than a veteran sergeant....

I play my BA out of either codex without complaint either way.

The Blood Angels .pdf codex is good for what it is, but for more variety in army choice I like the new (if perhaps weaker) codex.

Jack

i think i prefer our codex. it makes us different and IMO better than all the faceless Ultramairne players

Hymirl wrote:I always find it intresting how BA and DA players like to whine about the stormshields but never complain that their chaplians and libarians have a better stat line than a veteran sergeant....

I have never once complained. I am quite happy with the PDF. It would be nice if GW brought back the old rules for an FT based chapter though.

G

im not going to complain atall about the BA dex, i use it.
storm shields? who gives a feth.
im happy with my baal and free death company.

Yeah for real I love the BA codex. Ill give up the storm shields for the OCE, DC, DC Dread, and assult squads as troops.

it doesnt matter the newest or oldest IMO. there isn't change much but just adding some data about Drop pod and FAQ. i used the old one because i firstly print it ahead and i don't waste my ink to print another one.

as much as it pains me to say it... blood angels codex takes precedence. i know its totally dicked my BA too

Agreed. Use one or the other, not both. But don't let anyone tell you you "can't" use the SM codex just because your guys are painted red.

Write 2 lists that use the strengths of each one and test both. Personally, I don't have that much problem with the BA/DA dexes, you just have to view them as documents that somewhat dictate your build. Whereas the SM codex is more wide open in terms of builds.

Hymirl wrote:I always find it intresting how BA and DA players like to whine about the stormshields but never complain that their chaplians and libarians have a better stat line than a veteran sergeant....

Would you like to trade Librarians? My LD 9 Hellfire Librarians rock totally hard compared to LD 10 Null Zone/Gate Librarians. I mean, I even get unlimited range!

I think that was his point....

biztheclown wrote:But don't let anyone tell you you "can't" use the SM codex just because your guys are painted red.

Just a precautionary note but in years past, the UK Grand Tournament stated that if you chose to paint your army after an established Chapter then you had to use those rules.

Ghaz wrote:

biztheclown wrote:But don't let anyone tell you you "can't" use the SM codex just because your guys are painted red.

Just a precautionary note but in years past, the UK Grand Tournament stated that if you chose to paint your army after an established Chapter then you had to use those rules.

"Oh hey there. Sorry to bother you, but I play the Blood Angles Chapter, they are a Successor to the Blood Angels and use all their iconography, but Venerate the Angle of 67 Degrees as an aspect of the emperor, yet have been able to overcome the Red Thirst because of this Unshakable faith and therefore and follow the teachings of Gulliman."

Any TO not allowing you to use whatever codex you want for your plastic men isn't running a Tournament worth going to, even if it is a GT.

Gwar! wrote:

Ghaz wrote:

biztheclown wrote:But don't let anyone tell you you "can't" use the SM codex just because your guys are painted red.

Just a precautionary note but in years past, the UK Grand Tournament stated that if you chose to paint your army after an established Chapter then you had to use those rules.

"Oh hey there. Sorry to bother you, but I play the Blood Angles Chapter, they are a Successor to the Blood Angels and use all their iconography, but Venerate the Angle of 67 Degrees as an aspect of the emperor, yet have been able to overcome the Red Thirst because of this Unshakable faith and therefore and follow the teachings of Gulliman."

Any TO not allowing you to use whatever codex you want for your plastic men isn't running a Tournament worth going to, even if it is a GT.

Well, right about now I see a lot of people hoping for this very restriction right now. (Face it GWAR, your posts have made you very few friends on this board.)

That being said, the rule wasn't there to limit the players, it was there to limit confusion (and TFG's trying to take advantage of said confusion); If your army was BA, DA, UM, BT, etc in EVERY physical aspect, then it had to use those rules. I'm not sure if it is still that way, but I, for one welcome this (minor) restriction. It's really not that hard to alter the markings or paintjob to reflect the fact that your "BA" army really isn't one. When I was running tournaments at the FLGS, I used this rule as well; it just cuts out some of the headaches you have to put up with as TO.