Assaults and Counterattack/Multiple assailants/Indie Characters

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**General Hobbs**

OK.....let's say I plan on charging an ork unit with a warboss with a dread and a squad. I charge the squad in first, he counterattacks the squad, then I charge the dread in, correct?

Now, let's say there's a wrboss attached to the squad, on the outer edge. He has to move in first on the counterattack. Is he allowed to move orks aside to get a straightline in on the attacking unit? Otherwise, he would not be able to contact the marines with a 6 inch move....

Thanks!

**don_mondo**

No, not correct. Charge reaction doesn't occur until after all assault moves are done.
And no, the warboss must have a path, he cannot shoulder his way through the crowd (as fluffy as that would be).

**Mike Leon**

You've used the wrong terminologies several times and I think you've said "the squad" a few times without specifying whether you mean his squad, your squad, or a different squad. So let me make sure this is straight:

You have squad (of space marines?) and a dreadnought. You want to charge both units at a mob of orks which has an attached Independant Character (a warboss). Correct?

This is the proper sequence of events you should follow:
1. You will charge his ork mob with your squad. His unit will sit still.
2. You will charge his ork mob with your dreadnought. His unit will sit still.
3. You will declare and measure any remaining charges you have elsewhere on the board.
4. Now he gets to pile-in. Counter-attack is a different rule that should not be confused with pile-in. Independant Characters (warboss) must pile-in first, before any other models in the mob.

Under no circumstances can you move models out of the way to allow other models to charge in to base contact.

**coredump**

4. Now he gets to pile-in. Counter-attack is a different rule that should not be confused with pile-in. Independant Characters (warboss) must pile-in first, before any other models in the mob.

Since you are trying to be exact.... it is a React move. Pile In happens after the round of combat.

**The Governator Council**

Under no circumstances can you move models out of the way to allow other models to charge in to base contact.

Is this right? I mean, it's true that he's a part of the unit, however, if he can't go between the space of the models in the unit to get to combat, I don't think he could get into combat. I need somebody to help me confirm which version is correct. Thx, dakka.

**Lordhat**

If he can go around and get into BTB with his full 6" move then he must (and must do so first). If he is prevented from doing this by other models, then he must do so at his earliest opportunity.

**willydstyle**

Yep, lordhat's got it right, but just to clarify, you can't move through the area occupied by another model's base.

The only two exceptions to this are tank shocking, and if you're falling back from CC you can move through the victorious unit.

**Willisee**

Noob question:

So the only unit that gets the +1 attack ever is if the unit is actively charging the 6" into assault?

Example: So a unit of orks were assaulted by chaos in bottom of turn two. Chaos gets the +1 AT because they initiated the assault. Here is my question. On top of turn three, the orks will continue the assault assuming no one retreated. Do the orks get an addition +1 AT since they are declaring the assualt this time or not even though they are locked in CC already?

Thanks!

**Lordhat**

Willisee wrote: Do the orks get an addition +1 AT since they are declaring the assualt this time or not even though they are locked in CC already?

Thanks!

Nope. As you said, a unit only gets the +1 attack for initiating an assault. (Or for the 'defenders react' move, if the unit has the Counter Attack USR.)

EDIT: Technically the above is not entirely true: Units get +1 attack for 'charging' into an assault during their own assault phase. While not a BIG difference from the above, they can join an existing combat and the the bonus attack even though they aren't techically initiating the melee.

**Mike Leon**

The Governator Council wrote:Under no circumstances can you move models out of the way to allow other models to charge in to base contact.

Is this right? I mean, it's true that he's a part of the unit, however, if he can't go between the space of the models in the unit to get to combat, I don't think he could get into combat. I need somebody to help me confirm which version is correct. Thx, dakka.

If there is no space for him to move into base contact then he cannot get engaged in combat. He is still in the combat because the unit is and he is attached to them, but he will get no attacks.