What Constitutes as the Hull?

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**AffliKtion**

A regular and I always get into disputes when we play about what the hull is exactly.

he claims that if I shoot a blast marker weapon at a vehicle, that I need to place the hole of the template right in the very damn middle of the vehicle model.

I always thought that the hull of any vehicle was anything that constitutes as a 'wall' of sorts, usually consisting of the armor plating. Things like weapons, dozer blades and extra paraphernalia do not constitute as the hull, but the hull is essentially the box, or base, that the tank occupies. So this would imply that I have a fair amount of liberty on where I can place the marker.

Can anyone clarify exactly what the hull is?

**Gwar!**

The Hull is exactly that, the Hull of the vehicle.

With the exception of Drop pods (the amount of headaches they cause is unreal) anywhere on the vehicle that isnt a gun barrel or extra dodad constitutes as the hull. You can put the Blast marker on any part of the hull, though why you would not want to put it in the centre is beyond me, since the facing is still worked out from the sight of the firer if it hits, and its half strength if the hole isn't on it so its kinda useless anyway.

Edit: just double checked the rulebook. Page 60 is where you'll find where it says you can put it over any part of the hull

**AffliKtion**

Perhaps its not the vehicle that I want to be hitting?

**Gwar!**

AffliKtion wrote:Perhaps its not the vehicle that I want to be hitting?

Then why in gods name are you aiming at it ;p

Only reason I can think of is shooting say, a plasma cannon at a rhino that has just disgorged a unit of Marines in a nice tight bunch, you shoot at the rhino, putting the hole over the rear and clipping the Marines also.

**AffliKtion**

Exactly. Hitting the Disembarked units is more important to me that destroying the rhino. I do this with Mortars alot and I have damn good luck when rolling hits so the Barrage shots scatter into the unit or is a direct hit on the transport. TLOS might also block ML/GL shots from getting to the unit because the damn vehicle is blocking the way, so why not just shoot the vehicle close to the unit?

**yakface**

See the diagram on page 3 of the rulebook for a little bit of clarity regarding the subject. Although the diagram features and Ork Trukk with a little imagination you can figure out how it applies to most vehicles.

Yes, you are allowed to place a blast so that the center hole is near the edge of the vehicle's hull in an effort to also hit other models.

And yes, some people will always think that this is being cheesy, so you'll just have to put up with it if you play with someone like that.

Mentioning that they CHANGED this rule from 4th to 5th edition (in 4th edition you had to CENTER the blast over the vehicle) might help matters a bit.

Also remembering that if the center hole ends up over the vehicle but also hits other models that those other models will get a cover save from the vehicle also might help to cheer your opponent up a bit.

**willydstyle**

If you've still got a 4th ed rulebook, look it up again. It merely said you had to place the center of the blast marker over the hull of the vehicle, or base of the model you were firing at, it did not say it had to be centered.

Anyways, I don't see it as being cheesy... in fact, when I was playing my friend's IG army last week I even told him to shoot the blast at one of my rhinos instead of the squad that had just disembarked so he could get more hits on my dudes.

**Gestalt**

yakface wrote:Also remembering that if the center hole ends up over the vehicle but also hits other models that those other models will get a cover save from the vehicle also might help to cheer your opponent up a bit.

Why would they get a cover save? Unless they were behind the vehicle I don't see any reason why they would get a save.
Even if it was a barrage where it counts as coming from the center is that cover?

**Lordhat**

willydstyle wrote:If you've still got a 4th ed rulebook, look it up again. It merely said you had to place the center of the blast marker over the hull of the vehicle, or base of the model you were firing at, it did not say it had to be centered.

Actually it DID say the that the marker had to be centered, whcih they then FAQ'd to mean that the center hole had to be over the base/hull.