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well here is my latest tau army and if it seems odd like with a load of kroot that is because it is my own personal sept that i created

HQ: camander shas'o:cyclic ion blaster, plasma rifle, hard-wired multi tracker, targeting array, drone controller, 2 sheild drones =155pts
xv8 bodyguard:plasma rifle, burst cannon, targeting array, drone controller, hard-wired multi tracker, 1 sheild drone, 1 marker drone=118

Elites: stealth suit shas'ui: burst cannon, hard-wired target lock = 35pts
3 stealth suits:2 bust cannons, 1 fusion blaster, hard-wired target lock = 47pts

troop: 12 fire warriors: bonding knife= 135pts
12 fire warriors: bonding knife= 135pts
12 fire warriors: bonding knife, emp grenades, hard-wired drone controller, 4 gun drones= 211pts
20 kroot:1 kroot shaper, 10 kroot hounds, emp grenades, all 6+ saves= 281pts
10 kroot:1 kroot shaper, 3 krootox, all 6+ saves= 196pts
transport: 1 devilfish: burst cannon, gun drones, sensor spines= 90pts

fast atk: 6 gun drones= 72pts

heavy support: hammer head:rail gun, 2 burst cannons, target lock, disruption pod= 100pts
hammer head:rail gun, 2 burst cannons, target lock, disruption pod= 100pts

total=1402pts

please c&c
lookin for some ideas on my spare 100 pts was thinkin maby another fish

A couple of things I see off the bat. First, the Targeting Array has a max. bonus of BS 5. It is useless on your Shas'O. Now if you put it on a Shas'el, then you save some points but lose the Ldr and other superior stats of the 'O. Your one FW squad is way too expensive. You can't take four gun drones with firewarriors. Only two per drone controller, and only one controller per fire warrior squad. I've never really used Kroot before. But I would take out the EMP grenades from your FW and put them on the other Kroot squad if you want. Otherwise cut those grenades too. Firewarriors v. Vehicles in hand to hand is not what you should be trying to do.

I would put Disruption Pods on every vehicle including your D.Fish. I would drop the gun drones in favor of more stealth suits (better ballistic skill, tougher). Also, speaking of your stealth suits, only put the target lock on the fusion blaster guy. I personally wouldn't take the fusion to begin with, but if you do he's the only one who needs target lock. Other options include target array and drone controller. If you like gun drones, give them gun drones

I really like D.Fish so if you have enough points for one take it. If you rearrange your Kroot squads, one could ride in the D.Fish and gain Outflank. Just a thought.

ok i guess i should hav explaind what i was doin

i get about the FW squad with grenades. but with the kroot squads kroot move faster without krootox so one squad is infaltration and the other is kroot with guns.

the only thing i would object to is the stealth suits because i dont like them and if i was going to add a suit it would be a xv88 wit railguns or a xv8 suit
but i would get rid of all gun drones. i was wondering are pathfinders any good or is a sniper drone team better.

ok i guess i should hav explaind what i was doin

i get about the FW squad with grenades. but with the kroot squads kroot move faster without krootox so one squad is infaltration and the other is kroot with guns.

the only thing i would object to is the stealth suits because i dont like them and if i was going to add a suit it would be a xv88 wit railguns or a xv8 suit
but i would get rid of all gun drones. i was wondering are pathfinders any good or is a sniper drone team better.

I am not a fan of stealth suits either. Some people like them. I wasn't going to discourage you from using them if you wanted to, but since you said something...I don't like them either.

If the infiltrating Kroot squad is mounted in the Devil Fish, they and the Devil Fish gain the Outflank rule. However, I think the D.Fish carries at most 12 guys so you'd have to change the squad if you want to do that.

Pathfinders are AMAZING in 5e and I would only take sniper teams if I had pathfinders. Allow me to explain. The sniper team is most effective when if PINS something. To do that, you need markerlight support. The one the sniper team controller has is really just to boost the drones BS. You need a unit of Pathfinders to add more markerlight hits to the sniper teams target. Then you lower their Ldr for the pinning check.

But markerlights do more than just that, and they are so awesome I always take a unit of pathfinders.

I would take more Crisis suits if you have enough points for a full three man team.

ok thnx i am tryin to buy aload of suits and some other bitz thnx guys

umm are we missing the most obvious? 100 pts for a hammerhead? What codex are you looking at? HH is base 90pts+railgun(50)+ burst cannons (10)+TL(5)+DP(5)=160x2=320pts

ye but 3 hammer heads is kinda boring

Also i just realized that even with your incorrect HH points, it puts you at 1675 pts. Whats up man?

wtf why do you add 50pts for a railgun were the fudge does it say that

HH come as standard with no weapons as far as i remember the codex (its been boxed up and stored while i move house) Railgun is 50 and ion i think is only 15 or something. plus the other upgrades sounds about right @ 160 each.

only other thing that i can think of (again i dont have my codex to hand and i could be wrong) is that i never took drone marker lights as i was under the impression that they still counted as heavy. which means for the command squad to use them they would have to sit around.

feel free to correct me on that last bit.

the assasin of night wrote:HQ: camander shas'o:cyclic ion blaster, plasma rifle, hard-wired multi tracker, targeting array, drone controller, 2 sheild drones =155pts
xv8 bodyguard:plasma rifle, burst cannon, targeting array, drone controller, hard-wired multi tracker, 1 sheild drone, 1 marker drone=118

Drop the shas'o for shas'el and you save 15 points

the assasin of night wrote:Elites: stealth suit shas'ui: burst cannon, hard-wired target lock = 35pts
3 stealth suits:2 bust cannons, 1 fusion blaster, hard-wired target lock = 47pts

math is all kinda wrong here, also if one suit takes wargear all suits take wargear but doesn't have to be same wargear. Target locks are waste unless your running them on the fusion suit.

the assasin of night wrote:
12 fire warriors: bonding knife, emp grenades, hard-wired drone controller, 4 gun drones= 211pts
20 kroot:1 kroot shaper, 10 kroot hounds, emp grenades, all 6+ saves= 281pts
10 kroot:1 kroot shaper, 3 krootox, all 6+ saves= 196pts

Only 2 drones per controller
No emps for kroots
Math is off on the krootox squad

the assasin of night wrote:heavy support: hammer head:rail gun, 2 burst cannons, target lock, disruption pod= 100pts
hammer head:rail gun, 2 burst cannons, target lock, disruption pod= 100pts

Math is off

The HH is 90 pts but comes with no weapons, you must buy them accordingly. The railgun is 50 and the BC are 10.

ok i was very tired when makin the list so soz about the math

Bodders wrote:HH come as standard with no weapons as far as i remember the codex (its been boxed up and stored while i move house) Railgun is 50 and ion i think is only 15 or something. plus the other upgrades sounds about right @ 160 each.

only other thing that i can think of (again i dont have my codex to hand and i could be wrong) is that i never took drone marker lights as i was under the impression that they still counted as heavy. which means for the command squad to use them they would have to sit around.

feel free to correct me on that last bit.

Haha you are corrected Drones become the same 'unit type' as the controller. Crisis Drones are Jump Infantry. Tau Jump Infantry are Relentless i.e. move and shoot heavy weapons as if stationary. So you can move and marker light and charge.

Elites: stealth suit shas'ui: burst cannon, hard-wired target lock = 35pts
3 stealth suits:2 bust cannons, 1 fusion blaster, hard-wired target lock = 47pts

I don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but i only see i Hard Point Device on your Suits. Don't you have to have three?

i ment all hav hard-wired target lock

I think you'd have more fun with this list:
Shas'el, Fireknife (PR+MP), Multi-tracker - 87
10 Fire Warriors - 100
10 Fire Warriors - 100
10 Kroot, 10 Hounds - 130
10 Kroot, 10 Hounds - 130
3 Knarlock Riders - 150
3 Knarlock Riders - 150
3 Knarlock Riders - 150
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Disruption Pods, Multi-tracker - 165
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Disruption Pods, Multi-tracker - 165
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Disruption Pods, Multi-tracker - 165
Total: 1492
U hav 3 Railheads and 9 knarlock riders flying/running around causing chaos, and a Static firebase of Fire qwarriors and Kroot.
VH

that sounds like a great list but realy the piont in this list is what should i do with the stuff i hav got and well i dont hav those things

patrickparker1224 wrote:

Elites: stealth suit shas'ui: burst cannon, hard-wired target lock = 35pts
3 stealth suits:2 bust cannons, 1 fusion blaster, hard-wired target lock = 47pts

I don't know if any one has mentioned this yet, but i only see i Hard Point Device on your Suits. Don't you have to have three?

Stealth suits only come with one 'open' hard point. The burst cannon and stealth field generator take up two, leaving one other system point. And it has to be a 'support system.' Otherwise I'd give them all Missle Pods

I'd add a BK to all your units.

Some of your units don't include them.


You don't want your commander running away because his drones died.

Lets all agree as Tau players on this forum to STOP posting lists with Knarlocs, Knarloc Riders, or anything else you could possibly dig up out of an Apocalypse or Imperial Armor book including the words Knarloc or Tetra or Manta. Just use the Tau codex unless there is a special need, since most people don't own Knarlocs, and even if they did, most tournaments (at least in my area, and I'm in D.C.) won't let you use IA or Apoc units. Sure I would love to take a crapload of Kroot Snipers but I just can't seem to get anyone to agree to playing by non-codex rules. Plus I would be pissed if I went to play a 1850 point game at a tournament or even at my FLGS or in my basement with my friend and he pulled out a sack full of Trygons and Hierophants.

In conclusion, Knarlocs are awesome, they just look sweet and they add that 'stab' that Tau lack, but its just not in the cards until they make it into the Codex and get sold by GW.

i think that hounds rock as after playin my bro.

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