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Obama: Troop move to Mexican border under consideration

WASHINGTON — President Obama weighed in Wednesday on the escalating drug war on the U.S.-Mexico border, saying that he was looking at possibly deploying National Guard troops to contain the violence but ruled out any immediate military move.

"We're going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they would make sense," Obama said during an interview with journalists for regional papers, including a McClatchy reporter.

"I don't have a particular tipping point in mind," he said. "I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."

Already this year there have been 1,000 people killed in Mexico along the border, following 2008's death toll of 5,800, according to federal officials who credit Mexican President Felipe Calderon for a crackdown on drug cartels.

But the spillover on the border -- for example, to El Paso from neighboring Ciudad Juarez -- has created a political reaction.

In a recent visit to El Paso, Texas Gov. Rick Perry called for 1,000 troops to protect the border.

Obama was cautious, however. "We've got a very big border with Mexico," he said. "I'm not interested in militarizing the border."

The president praised Calderon, "who I believe is really working hard and taking some extraordinary risks under extraordinary pressure to deal with the drug cartels and the corresponding violence that's erupted along the borders."

Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif., chair of a key subcommittee on border security, will hold a hearing Thursday on Mexican border violence.

"Last week Mexico sent an additional 3,200 soldiers to the border," Sanchez said in a prepared opening statement for the hearing, "increasing the total number of Mexican soldiers combating drug cartels to more than 45,000."

Sanchez chairs the House Committee on Homeland Security's subcommittee on border, maritime and global counterterrorism.

"It should be noted that over 200 U.S. citizens have been killed in this drug war, either because they were involved in the cartels or were innocent bystanders," she said. "With those concerns in mind, it is essential that the Department of Homeland Security, along with other relevant departments, continue to pursue a contingency plan to address 'spillover' violence along our border."

At a hearing this week, Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas, who visited Mexico last month as part of a congressional delegation tour, praised the so-called Merida Initiative -- a drug cartel fighting agreement between the U.S. and Mexico that provides Mexico with $1.4 billion to control drug trafficking.

"From helicopters and surveillance planes to non-intrusive inspection equipment, the U.S. investment is intended to provide the hardware necessary for the Mexican government to extend its authority to those remote and hard-to-access parts of the country ravaged by the drug trade," said Granger.

That agreement between Calderon and President George W. Bush will be updated, Obama said.

"We expect to have a comprehensive approach to dealing with these issues of border security that will involve supporting Calderon and his efforts in a partnership, also making sure we are dealing with the flow of drug money and guns south, because it's really a two-way situation there," said Obama.

"The drugs are coming north, we're sending funds and guns south," he said. "As a consequence, these cartels have gained extraordinary power. Our expectation is to have a comprehensive policy in place in the next few months."


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Am I the only one who doesn't like this. I may be paranoid but 45,000 Mexican troops, armed and trained, just "stationed" on the U.S.-Mexico border?

What happens if they get ambious?
"Oh, the drug cartels are in America now? Well, we will just mosey on over there..."

I tend to be a little paranoid when countries start putting troops on national borders, even if they are there fighting drug cartels.
   
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I think an Mexica invasion of the USA is .... unlikely.


This is clearly a direct response to Chuck Norris and his threats of civil war.


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OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't like this. I may be paranoid but...


Umm, yeah, it's paranoia. Mexico isn't going to be marching troops over the border.

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Its not troops led by a general to be worried about. Its troops in the employ of drug cartels and that has already happened on multiple occasions.

Mexico is now viewed as having a high potential as a "Failed State." There are literally thousands of cartel members along the border now-hence the Mexican military moving in to try to regain control.

So if drugs were legalized, would this all go away?

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[sarcasm] You guys are just bigoted. These are obviously just hard working undocumented immigrants coming here to take up jobs us fat lazy Americans won't do. [/sarcasm]
   
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Frazzled wrote:Its not troops led by a general to be worried about. Its troops in the employ of drug cartels and that has already happened on multiple occasions.

Mexico is now viewed as having a high potential as a "Failed State." There are literally thousands of cartel members along the border now-hence the Mexican military moving in to try to regain control.

So if drugs were legalized, would this all go away?


It would depend on how you did it.

In the late 90s the company I work for was having a lot of trouble in Russia. We could sell our game consoles easily enough but software sales were very low because of rampant piracy. It got to the point that the Russian police would go into shops and seize the official game packages because they hadn't been bribed to recognise the official holographic seals on the package. The packages with pirates' seals were left alone because they had bribed the police.

We got around this by a two part strategy.

Firstly, we set up deals with "local programmers" to localise our games into Russian. This made the official product more attractive.
Secondly, we set up deals with "local distribution companies" for supplying the localised games into shops. They also handled the holographic stickering and "police liaison".

In effect we brought some of the pirates into the legal system and made them into good guys. We gave them a stake.

Result, increased legal software sales and superior product for the end user.

Now, obviously drugs aren't games software however decades of law enforcement has not either reduced demand or supply. A legal framework coupld be found for controlling drug supply (it existed in the early 20th century) though to start with it may require some accommodation of less than savoury elements.

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The Green Git wrote:[sarcasm] You guys are just bigoted. These are obviously just hard working undocumented immigrants coming here to take up jobs us fat lazy Americans won't do. [/sarcasm]


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Kilkrazy wrote:
Now, obviously drugs aren't games software however decades of law enforcement has not either reduced demand or supply. A legal framework coupld be found for controlling drug supply (it existed in the early 20th century) though to start with it may require some accommodation of less than savoury elements.


Do you mean the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937? If I recall correctly, it was found to be unconstitutional as any who sought a tax stamp to trade marijuana had to incriminate themselves to get one.

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Leave the Mexicans alone Mexico has the power to stop this they are just to lazy like me. Mexico and America are good friends and America wants to help. I belive that troops should be sent out to the border but not in Mexico. :

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Frazzled: So if drugs were legalized, would this all go away?
Being able to legally request for your money back on bad product & dealers being legally responsible for the quality of their goods and the safety of their consumers would instantly put a crimp into the way things are currently handled.
Look at bars in some states. If your a bartender in NY state and you let someone that got hammered at your bar drive off without notifying the police you can be slapped with a fine, if that happens enough times you risk your license.
Of coarse we also have a current precedent of our government profiteering directly for the addictions of it's populace, cigarettes.
so theoretically it's ethical to do so to new products entering the market
Tax the $$$$ out of the product.
Free all the prisoners held on weak possession/dealing charges (which would saves tons of cash, since those prisoners are off the state's hands.)
-that's some deficit cutting power!

Plus legal drug sales would be under the protection of the police.
So weapons would be less necessary to protect the product. So guns would only drive up the price of doing business with legal fees, time lost and materials.

Image all the tax revenue from local businesses going to inner city schools.

so remember: If you love your Country, Community and believe in Education, vote to legalize heroin TODAY!

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Yeah, it's about time we legalize, wait, what were we talking about again?

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If drugs were legalized, companies would make their drug policies harsher, creating a subculture of people who are unemployable, who turn to petty crime to support themselves and their habits. How would that be any different than how it is now? Something needs to be done to eradicate the supply. Unfortunately, that will never happen.

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warpcrafter wrote:If drugs were legalized, companies would make their drug policies harsher, creating a subculture of people who are unemployable, who turn to petty crime to support themselves and their habits.

Or people who want to do drugs can just enter the arts.

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If drugs are legalized it'll be chaos.

Reminds me of :

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If drugs were legalized, I'd think companies would have a lot of trouble getting away with testing for drugs as a condition of employment - they're only able to get away with it now because drugs do happen to be illegal.

The Economist just had an article on this very subject - that legalization may be bad, but it's much less bad than our current failed solution, making it really the only solution

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13237193&source=most_commented

I can't imagine how anyone could argue that drug legalization would lead to chaos. I don't know a lot of people who desperately want to get into drugs, but don't because it's illegal. What chaos would it cause? How would the chaos be worse than what exists in producer countries right now?

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BloodofOrks wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Now, obviously drugs aren't games software however decades of law enforcement has not either reduced demand or supply. A legal framework coupld be found for controlling drug supply (it existed in the early 20th century) though to start with it may require some accommodation of less than savoury elements.


Do you mean the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937? If I recall correctly, it was found to be unconstitutional as any who sought a tax stamp to trade marijuana had to incriminate themselves to get one.


No, I meant before that, and not just the USA but other countries also.

The British Empire dealt with widespread use of cannabis in India during the 19th century.

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warpcrafter wrote:If drugs were legalized, companies would make their drug policies harsher, creating a subculture of people who are unemployable, who turn to petty crime to support themselves and their habits. How would that be any different than how it is now? Something needs to be done to eradicate the supply. Unfortunately, that will never happen.


The situation would be much like it is now regarding drink and airline pilots. They are are not allowed to drink for 12 hours before their flight (or something.) It would be illegal for a company to force testing on employees for doing something legal unless there were safety implications.

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Kilkrazy wrote:
The British Empire dealt with widespread use of cannabis in India during the 19th century.


The British Empire had two wars with China to protect the rights of the british merchants selling opium over there before changing sides on the drug using issue, so I don´t think it would be so hard to change postures again. I don´t like the idea of legal drug consumption but after years of failed policies perhaps it´s time to take another stance instead of sending kids to jail for drug use.

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Miguelsan wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
The British Empire dealt with widespread use of cannabis in India during the 19th century.


The British Empire had two wars with China to protect the rights of the british merchants selling opium over there before changing sides on the drug using issue, so I don´t think it would be so hard to change postures again. I don´t like the idea of legal drug consumption but after years of failed policies perhaps it´s time to take another stance instead of sending kids to jail for drug use.

M.


The only rational reason to disapprove legal drug consumption is if the social results of such were worse than illegal drug consumption which continues despite the current War On Drugs. The theory behind legalisation is that drugs can be better controlled within a legal, social framework.

No doubt evidence can be mustered for both viewpoints.

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