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Does the Soul Grinder mishap on deepstrikes if one or more of his legs is reaching off the board or into a unit of models? My cousin claims that it's only his hull that counts (he counts his hull as the long spider-butt like body he has) and I told him we'd leave it up to the professors on dakka to decide.

Thanks for your help.

I would say that It counts as being off board. Mainly because if a blast temp. goes alittle off the board then the attack does not go though. Also it would be like saying hey 95% of my troops (10 man squad) landed on the board that means the one guy who landed halfway off the board or totally off doesnt have anything happen to him.

Your cousin has a point. But he must be consistent about it. So when he measures range, or tries to get into CC, he must only use the hull.

Pg 72 under the heading "MEASURING RANGES" lists the legs of a "Defiler" which has the exact same legs as a soulgrinder as part of the 'hull'.

So, technically by RAW, yes, if the legs are off the table, it is off the table.

BUT, as coredump mentioned, and rightly so, some players don't like the using the legs of a defiler/soulgrinder as anything but a means to hold the model up and play the game by using the inner hull for all measurements, which is fine.

However, if you do this, then the legs cannot count toward anything, like being in CC, you would have to measure from the hull to the base of a target for example. Because, if you are gonna not count them as part of the hull for mishap purposes, then they cannot count as part of the hull when measuring any and all ranges.

Take the good with the bad as they say.

Well crap. I never caught that bit on p.72.

Thanks Padixon

Legs are hull, period.

Webbe wrote:Legs are hull, period.

Unless you and your opponent have an agreement otherwhise, period.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Webbe wrote:Legs are hull, period.

Unless you and your opponent have an agreement otherwhise, period.

Well, you can do that with any rule. So claiming legs are not hull is as true as saying grots got T 10 and have 2+ inv save.

If a leg counts as part of the hull then if that's all the daemon player can get into close coMbat while charging into an assault it counts as being in base contact.

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Thanks for the rulings, I'll discuss it with my cousin tomorrow. I have a game scheduled. We'll see how it goes!

Webbe wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:

Webbe wrote:Legs are hull, period.

Unless you and your opponent have an agreement otherwhise, period.

Well, you can do that with any rule. So claiming legs are not hull is as true as saying grots got T 10 and have 2+ inv save.

Webbe is absolutely right. This rule change is no different then any other rule change, including T 10 grots. But, the difference between T 10 grots and the 'legless' defiler/soulgrinder is that the latter is actually a very common rule change. I have seen this rule change in 3 countries, and have been asked by my opponent in a tournament once (which I obliged of course) to not count the legs.

In fact in every scenario, my opponents expressed the exact same reason for it: "they are just too big and stick out way to far".

But in the end, it is a rule change and does in fact require a consent from both players before the game begins.

Legs are part of the Hull. Please refer to page 72 of the Rulebook where it talks about Walkers and read under "Measuring Ranges". Basically says, models like Defiler/Soulgrinder measure to and from its hull (including legs and other limbs).

alright i get into CC easier. and + my defiler legs front legs are used as hands also pointing forward, that an extra 1-3" for me. Seriously though, im glad i can use the legs this time.