Kannon leadership test [ORK]

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**QuietOrkmi**

I played against Dark Templar with my Orks and my Kannons have been destroying his high priced units (a Bike squad of 6 that broke up into two squads of 3, and a skimmer). So I do not know if this is the truth or just some petty spite to kill off a squadron of kannons

Basically he killed 1 grot manning a kannon, he said as of a result that kannon has to take a panic test for losing over 25% of its total size... I failed the LD test and I picked up the 1 kannon. He shook his finger and said," No... The entire Squadron of 3 kannons leave as a result of a failed LD test." It made sense to me at the time as they were 20 points each and that sounds like Grots... but it slightly bugged me... I let it go because I was winning and the kannons would have done not much more in the end...

This bothers me because the rule book dictates that if there is no one there to man the gun it is removed however mentions nothing when it comes to squadrons of Artillery...

**Darth Balls**

I think your friend is screwing you.
I'm not sure how many Kannons you have in your Big Gun Unit (or grots), but you have to lose 25% of your TOTAL number of grots + any Runtherds before test must be made. However, if you do lose 25 % of your Grots you must test, if failed then ALL Grots flee.
This is how I have been playing my Big Gun Units.
Hope this helps....

**QuietOrkmi**

I believe the standard package is a kannon plus 2 grots... multiply that by 3 for a squad and now you have 6.... meaning that 2 would need to die to be over 30% and I could spread the casualties between each gun so it would take 3 wounds before the guns start disappearing from bolterfire... but I think you can buy an additional 1 grot per gun so a total of 3 need to be killed to start the LD test and 6 wounds would be spread around until Kannons start to disappear from bolterfire...

Runtherder does not seem to do anything other than give my grots LD 7 and act as an extra model to remove from bolter fire... also saves a grot during assault with the grabba stick...

**Razerous**

Go read page 55 of the main rulebook - that will tell you how to use artillery units (which is what your Big Gun unit is) properly. Theres a slightly random chance between hitting a crew or hitting the gun. Its not up to you to allocate hits with artillery units.

Your opponent should also read up on these rules aswell as p43 for info on morale checks.

**QuietOrkmi**

So in my response was I correct in saying that initially 2 grots have to die so over 25% of the unit suffers a LD test or is he right in saying that by killing 1 Grot it can cause LD test (1 is half of the 2 grots manning each kannon) and thus cause the entire squad to flee from a single bolter shot that caused a wound...

**yakface**

QuietOrkmi wrote:So in my response was I correct in saying that initially 2 grots have to die so over 25% of the unit suffers a LD test or is he right in saying that by killing 1 Grot it can cause LD test (1 is half of the 2 grots manning each kannon) and thus cause the entire squad to flee from a single bolter shot that caused a wound...

Yes.

Page 55 specifies that guns in an artillery unit are ignored for morale purposes so if your gun battery has three you will have at least 6 models which means you need to initially lose 2 models in one phase to take a morale check.

But yes, if you fail it and fall back then you do lose any gun models you don't have crew for (ouch), which is why it is a good idea to take the maximum number of grot crewman as well as a runtherd (with his improved Ld and his squighound's Ld reroll).

**QuietOrkmi**

hmm normally I would say that kannons stink but for 31 extra I get to re-roll 3 shots and have an extra 6 grots and a LD 7 re-roll when failed model that takes an attack away from assaulters, I would say that it is fair...

so it looks like the cost of my kannons have jumped from a measly 180 points to 273 points for a salvo of twin-linked shots... and a 75% chance of passing any LD check (when it comes to losing 25% of my grots) sounds like a bargain...

**Greasy G**

Im curious as to how your spending 180 points on a battery of kannons, if i give them all of the options (which i do, except the grot prod) i can only come up with 112 points... 142 if i run zzap guns, which i think is a steal.... am i wrong?

I also think your buddy may have duped you.... well definatly did.

**Uriels_Flame**

Are you running more than one slot? 2/3 Heavy Support choices? Because that does sound like quite a lot of points for this choice.

**Gwar!**

I would assume he is running 9 Kannon, since 3 barebones max units are 180 points

**QuietOrkmi**

Correct, 9 total kannons, taking up three heavy slots...