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Standard Bearer is a veteran space marine and has 2 attack. In his wargear he has bolt pistol and chainsword. But if in standard bearer description it says that they never let go of the standard as long as they live. So does this mean that they have 2 attacks in close combat. Or 2+1 attacks for dualwielding (maybe using the flag pole as a weapon?)

I would have to say, due to no mention of them in gaming sense that they cant use the banner itself as a weapon and does state that you lose your 2 CC weapon bonus, so 2+1 for me

Rules-wise the standard is not a weapon, merely an extra 'special rule'. Although the fluff description says he is holding it, there is no hard rule for this.

Rules wise, since the model is still armed with two close combat weapons (boltpistol and chainsword) he still gets the extra attack.

Just like Chaos Marines get an extra attack for being armed with a boltpistol and close combat weapon even when they're also armed with a (two-handed) bolter....

Your poll is incomplete. Saying he gets 2+1 attacks *because* he can use the standard as a weapon is incorrect (and should be changed).

He gets 2+1 attack because he's allowed to use his two single-handed weapons in CC. There are no rules stating that holding the banner takes up the use of a hand so it doesn't in the game.

For all intents and purposes we can assume that they've got some sort of magnetic grappling device that allows him to slap the banner on his back when needed.

yakface wrote:
For all intents and purposes we can assume that they've got some sort of magnetic grappling device that allows him to slap the banner on his back when needed.

And when hes trying to get it off, its like a dog chasing him tail

He gets 2+1 attack because he's allowed to use his two single-handed weapons in CC. There are no rules stating that holding the banner takes up the use of a hand so it doesn't in the game.

For all intents and purposes we can assume that they've got some sort of magnetic grappling device that allows him to slap the banner on his back when needed

5th edition SM codex pg.55 "The standard Bearer is trusted never to let the standard out of his grip while he still draws breath - to do otherwise is to invite the most terrible and shameful dishonour."

Thats the part that got me confused about being able to gain the extra attack.

The fluff in the case of the standard bearer isn't particularly well translated into game mechanics.

One vet in a command squad can be upgraded to take a Standard, but I don't think there's anything that outright prevents that same model from taking other upgrades (ranged or cc weapons) or would prevent that same model from gaining another cc attack from having an additional cc weapon.

Me, I've got a Power Fist on the sucker, so he wouldn't get one in any case, so for me, the point is moot.

Mine has a power sword and a pistol in a holster just in case i run into TFG and he says "I don't see two Close combat weapons"

If he has two weapons, he has two weapons and gets all the bonuses associated.

If you really want to stay true to background of him hanging onto the standard then he can either hold it with his teeth or clamp it between his power armoured buttocks...

As a friendly note, if you're just asking a question then ask. You don't really need to make a vote about it unless it turns out there is no actual 'right answer' or that its really contentious as to what the answer is.

A lot of Marines have the standard attached to the back top of their power armor.

@Hymril - there is no need to mention clenched arse cheeks... I bet that gets you going though... why else would you mention it?

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I disagree, I feel there is ALWAYS a need to mention clenched buns of plasteel!

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