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Sup all.

Having a bit of a brainfart, so could someone give me a page reference that says you may or may not do this.

I honestly cannot remember if this is legal or not

RAW you may not do it.

The rules for dedicated transports suggest that it's a rule they forgot to write though as it says it's a limitation of dedicated transports, not an ability.

So playing RAI most people (everyone I've heard of) allow this.

Is there a page #?

As there is no such rule there would be no such page?

What do i say? just do it, and if your oponent moans just moan back at them for being petty.....

not that at anyone cares what i say though,

from what i remember you could before, and if they took it out seems kinda senceless that they travled to the battle on foor with there transport beside them and THEn use it once there..... seems a bit backwards...

You can do it as long as it's not a dedicated transport.

If it's a dedicated transport then only the unit it was purchased for can be deployed in it. Page 67, "Dedicated Transports" box, paragraph 2.

The Green Git wrote:You can do it as long as it's not a dedicated transport.

If it's a dedicated transport then only the unit it was purchased for can be deployed in it.

Can I have a Page Reference or Rules Quote to back that up please. I'm asking because I cannot find anything to say you can in the rulebook. I know you can Start the game all 2" away from a Access point and embark T1, but not start in the actual transport itself.

There is no rule that explicitly allows a unit to start the game on the table in a non-dedicated transport.

The Reserves rules state that the player must declare any units that are assigned to transports when declaring which units are in Reserve, although stops short of specifically stating that they actually can be put in transports in the first place.

The Deployment rules allow you to place a unit on the table anywhere in the appropriate deployment zone. Since units in Transports under 5th are still considered on the table for in game effects, it can be argued that this does allow the unit to be placed in the transport, as that is still technically putting them on the table in the appropriate zone.

It's fairly clear that they intended for units to be able to start the game, whether on tble or in Reserve, in non-dedicated transports, but the rules are somewhat vague in the whole thing.

Wonderful

Now all we need is someone flashing an email from John Spencer like its from the Ark of the Covenant and we'll have a proper Rules thread.

Anyway, thanks all. Was sure I was going insane but Looks like... Nah I am, feth it

insaniak wrote:The Deployment rules allow you to place a unit on the table anywhere in the appropriate deployment zone. Since units in Transports under 5th are still considered on the table for in game effects...

This is exactly why you are allowed to start units inside non-designated transports. The transport is on the table, and it is in your deployment zone. Therefore, you can deploy a unit inside of it.

Gwar! wrote:

The Green Git wrote:You can do it as long as it's not a dedicated transport.

If it's a dedicated transport then only the unit it was purchased for can be deployed in it.

Can I have a Page Reference or Rules Quote to back that up please. I'm asking because I cannot find anything to say you can in the rulebook. I know you can Start the game all 2" away from a Access point and embark T1, but not start in the actual transport itself.

Sure... it's on page 2 in the box at the top of the page.

Seriously though, this kind of RAW thinking is what has people arguing about Terminators not having Terminator armor and whether a Rapid Firing weapon can reach 24" because it says "target" and not "range" (a 4th edition dumass RAW argument).

If the rules state that a dedicated transport may only deploy transporting the unit it was purchased for, it is heavily implied that a non-dedicated transport may hold any unit it normally could under the rules. But yes, you are correct that no rule explicitly states you may deploy your own units in your own transports.

The Green Git wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

The Green Git wrote:You can do it as long as it's not a dedicated transport.

If it's a dedicated transport then only the unit it was purchased for can be deployed in it.

Can I have a Page Reference or Rules Quote to back that up please. I'm asking because I cannot find anything to say you can in the rulebook. I know you can Start the game all 2" away from a Access point and embark T1, but not start in the actual transport itself.

Sure... it's on page 2 in the box at the top of the page.

Seriously though, this kind of RAW thinking is what has people arguing about Terminators not having Terminator armor and whether a Rapid Firing weapon can reach 24" because it says "target" and not "range" (a 4th edition dumass RAW argument).

If the rules state that a dedicated transport may only deploy transporting the unit it was purchased for, it is heavily implied that a non-dedicated transport may hold any unit it normally could under the rules. But yes, you are correct that no rule explicitly states you may deploy your own units in your own transports.

That's all I needed to know