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What are orks to do with a land raider, a crusader, and a redeemer on the table at one time?

I dont know whether to take 3 battle wagons with ghaz and 10 kitted nobs, a pk kff mek and 10 kitted nobs, and 15 lootas on a mobile firing wagon or sea of green or 120 orks, 2 dreads, 6 kans, 2 kff meks, and lootas.

I feel that he will burn bolt las anyhting I bring.
:(

Inigo Montoya wrote:What are orks to do with a land raider, a crusader, and a redeemer on the table at one time?

Well, step 1 is to cry...


Step 2 is to dust off those tank-hammers and mount up in some open-topped vehicles. A couple of good whacks should do the trick nicely.

Ghazgul can just slap land raiders if he gets there.
Ramming deffa rolla battlewagons work wonders if you agree that they work against tanks.
Tankbustas with tankhammas in other peoples trukks should crack landraiders.

Glory hogs scare me - a well maneuvered rhino can ruin their day. Getting ghaz there will work for one, but there is no way he will let it happen twice. I was really hoping to rush a warboss wagon to the crusader, ghaz wagon to the redeemer, and pop tops. Embark and go after the vanilla raider together. Thinking about it, I should send ghaz at the vanill one first to get rid of the lasers... ...i dunno, I guess I am just screwed. :(

Glory Hogs is completely under your own control if you play it right, and all you really need to do is get them closer to the LR than the rhino, and provided your opponent is being overzealous and putting those LRs on the front line of his deployment, you should be fine.

What about 2 sets of 4 Death Kopta's for killing the land raiders with the buzz saw if you go first you can have 12 Strength 9 hits on a land raider, I am quite sure that you can kill one or two with 2 penetrating hits and 2 glancing hits each. Now with those about 90 boys and Gazgul, you should be able to walk over his other marines.

Then again I haven't had a chance to play against the new orcs yet and could be completely wrong. . . (Damn and its been about 5 tournies for me. . )

citadel97501 wrote:What about 2 sets of 4 Death Kopta's for killing the land raiders with the buzz saw if you go first you can have 12 Strength 9 hits on a land raider, I am quite sure that you can kill one or two with 2 penetrating hits and 2 glancing hits each. Now with those about 90 boys and Gazgul, you should be able to walk over his other marines.

Then again I haven't had a chance to play against the new orcs yet and could be completely wrong. . . (Damn and its been about 5 tournies for me. . )

Youre completely wrong. Buzzsaws only double the strength of their wielder, just like powerfists, so the base strength for a buzzsaw is S6. This goes up to S7 on the charge because you add modifiers after you double strength. There is no way a buzzsaw can even scratch a landraider.

You cant rely on your opponent making mistakes to win you games, so if you use tank bustas they will spend most of the game chasing rhinos.

Orks can deal with landraiders easily. Its just how it is. The best way to do it if you absolutely must if with a warboss with a power klaw on a bike. Lots of S10 hits will evenutally crack it. Of course if the landraiders are full of terminators then you have a problem. LD spam is the worst matchup possible for orks.

Deffkopta's have S3 so will be S7 on the charge with Buzzsaw's. In other words: they won't do anything against Land Raiders.

Nob Bikers, obviously, crush Land Raiders on the charge. Then again, what don't they crush on a charge?

As other people have stated, if your gaming group allows Deffrolla's to work against vehicles then they are the best Land Raider killing option the Orks have available.

If Deffrolla's do not work against vehicles in your gaming group and you do not wish to field Nob Bikers, then you are pretty much screwed. Ghazghkull Thraka or a normal Warboss with a Power Klaw have S10, but you can only take two of them at the most. Killa Kans are S10 in close combat as well (as long as they have their DCCW), so they might be an option that wouldn't terribly gimp your list (like Tankbusta's would).

Regwon wrote:You cant rely on your opponent making mistakes to win you games, so if you use tank bustas they will spend most of the game chasing rhinos.

Not necessarily. The Ork FAQ says Tankbustas can move normally in the movement phase, that Glory Hogs only affects the Shooting and Assault phases. If you put them in a vehicle you don't have to move towards the Rhino. If you move fast enough you aren't shooting the Rhino from the vehicle and you can use the vehicle to effectively put blinders on the Tankbustas. Battlewagons are awesome for this.

Besides, if your opponent spams Land Raiders you're not going to see a lot of Rhinos very often unless he ignores other areas of the army, and then you can play to that with your army. Lots of vehicles and transports? He's going to be light on Troops and easy pickings for your Shoota Boyz. Myself, I run at least two 20 Ork Shoota Boyz squads and they will lay waste to Combat Squad Space Marines without ever getting into assault range.

Hmmm - I have about 8 old school nob biker models with grot drivers laying around somewhere.

I hope I can find them!

So something along these lines maybe:
Warboss, bike, pk, bp, squig, cybork
Mad Doc Grotsnik

15 Lootas
10 Kommandos 2 burnas snikrot

19 'Ard boyz, nob pk bp cyborked
19 grot w/ runtherd

wagon, red paint, riggers, ram, kannon
wagon, red paint, riggers, ram, kannon

Better ideas - I can only muster 10 nob bikers.