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So my questions are, if marines automatically pass tests to regroup, can they automatically regroup if enemies are within 6" and secondly a sweeping advance into marines brings the no retreat rule into effect for that round, but if its the end of the round anyway (ie. The end of the assault phase) does the no retreat follow into the nxt assault phase or is it ignored. And does sweeping advance count as a fresh assault ie. +1 attacks for attacker

Marines do not automatically regroup if enemies are within 6".

Resolve your "no retreat" wounds after marines fail to escape the CC.

Sweeping advance does NOT count as a fresh assault.

Alright thx for the clear answer, so wud it be better for an enemy to stay within six inches and stop them regrouping rather than assaulting them, especially since units falling back count as destroyed at the end of the game

ATSKNF means that Marines regroup without a Moral test and can do so even if under 50%. All other conditions must be met, so they will keep falling back if there are enmies within 6".

Your reading on the No Retreat part is... Imaginative. All it means is that, if they attempt to fall back but are caught, instead of being totally destroyed, they suffer wounds as per the No Retreat rules.

And No, Sweeping advance does not involve movement of any kind, and is not a fresh assault move.

Moncalcruiser wrote:Alright thx for the clear answer, so wud it be better for an enemy to stay within six inches and stop them regrouping rather than assaulting them, especially since units falling back count as destroyed at the end of the game

Yes that is one tactic, but it means you waste a unit moving about chasing them, and the marines will doubletap at you as they fall back to try and make you fall back / wipe you out.

Moncalcruiser wrote:Alright thx for the clear answer, so wud it be better for an enemy to stay within six inches and stop them regrouping rather than assaulting them, especially since units falling back count as destroyed at the end of the game

That's the idea, yes. It's known as "Herding the unit" and you can use this tactic to push a unit all the way off the board, thus destroying them.

Gwar! wrote:... the marines will doubletap at you as they fall back ...

I know! When I got back into this fine hobby I was quite new to all most of the rules (being a 2nd ed Bright Yellow Wargear book type) and I routed a couple of guardsmen but they kept shooting at me! What?! Rubbish.

I know of this herding tactic, its awesome, treating marines like sheep.. The best bet is to herb them with AV11+ vechicles (front armor rhino, right?) or T8+ MC's (Wraithlord) to immune themselves from constant massed bolter fire (thankfully no heavy weapon use) and hope theres either no melta-marines/hes already died/dies soon/he doesnt hit often. But its better than using a more vunerable unit but likewise its only worth doing to units that can threaten objectives.

One of the guys I play with loves to use Chimeras to do this. Front Armour 12 so its a little harder to kill if they do have a plasma/melta, and the turret can pewpew at another unit if needed.

Though I do admit it makes sense, you may be running away, but your guns are gonna be over your heads firing wildly at your pursuer, hopefully knocking 1 down before you are mercilessly slaughtered.

Well combat tactics doesnt sound very useful, since you voluntarily fail, then get caught and have to take more armour saves lol!

Moncalcruiser wrote:Well combat tactics doesnt sound very useful, since you voluntarily fail, then get caught and have to take more armour saves lol!

Or

Death.


Armor saves > Death of the unit

Moncalcruiser wrote:Well combat tactics doesnt sound very useful, since you voluntarily fail, then get caught and have to take more armour saves lol!

Well, dont forget, they have Initiative 4, so they have a good chance of breaking away, unless against specialist assault troops like Banshees or 'Stealers (and lets face it, your fethed if they get into CC anyway). Once you do break away, so long as you didn't mess up your fallback roll and land less than 6" from the enemy, you can regroup, then fire your heavy weapons back at the enemy.

What you are meant to do, is choose to fail the moral test in your enemies turn, that way you break away, if you regroup you can fire off your heavy at them, and even if you don't, you fall back another 2d6, and open fire with the rest of your army, since that enemy is no longer in Close Combat.

Razerous wrote:

Moncalcruiser wrote:Well combat tactics doesnt sound very useful, since you voluntarily fail, then get caught and have to take more armour saves lol!

Or
Death.

Armor saves > Death of the unit

Seemingly Heretical overuse of linebreaks aside, that is correct

Gwar! wrote:... the marines will doubletap at you as they fall back ...

Wow, how on earth did I miss this when it has it's own heading, for some reason I was certain you couldn't fire while falling back.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Gwar! wrote:... the marines will doubletap at you as they fall back ...

Wow, how on earth did I miss this when it has it's own heading, for some reason I was certain you couldn't fire while falling back.

lrn2read n00b! But yeah its nice, especially since you can fire off at any unit you need. Doesn't help if the enemy herding you down is an AV 11+ Vehicle who can keep up with you, but at least they get to do something rather than being dead weight (like Guard Falling back )