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I have two ideas for a Khorne themed list, any insight is welcome thanks



HQ:

Bloodthirster- Unholy Might, Blessing Blood God, Instrument- 280

Herald of Khorne- Juggernaut, Fury of Khorne,
Blessing of Blood God, Iron Hide, Unholy Might 150

Elites:

6 Bloodcrushers- Icon, Instrument, Fury- 280
6 Bloodcrushers- Icon, Instrument, Fury- 280

Troops:

10 Bloodletters- Icon, Instrument- 190
10 Bloodletters- Icon, Instrument- 190
10 Bloodletters- Icon, Instrument- 190

Heavy Support:

Daemon Prince- Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Khorne- 145
Daemon Prince- Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Khorne- 145


2nd:

HQ:

Bloodthirster-Unholy Might, Blessing of the Blood God- 275

Herald of Khorne- Juggernaut, Fury of Khorne, Iron Hide, Unholy Might- 145

Elites:

6 Crushers- Icon, Fury- 275
6 Crushers- Icon, Fury- 275

Troops:

8 Bloodletters- Icon- 153
8 Bloodletters- Icon- 153

Heavy Support:

Daemon Prince- Flight, Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Khorne-205
Daemon Prince- Flight, Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Mark of Khorne-205
Soul Grinder- Tongue- 160


Both come to 1850 soo whats do you guys think?

First List, mount the Herald in a Chariot

yea your right i just took another look at the dex to see why you suggested chariot over a juggernaut, and is that the correct amount of points? o.O

Yes. The reason it is cheaper is because you lose the IC status.

changed the list up


HQ:
Bloodthirster- unholy might, blessing of blood god- 275

Bloodthirster- unholy might, blessing of blood god- 275

Elites:

8 Bloodcrushers- icon- 345

8 Bloodcrushers- icon- 345

Troops:

8 Bloodletters- icon- 153


8 Bloodletters- icon- 153


8 Bloodletters- icon- 153


8 Bloodletters- icon- 153


its pretty fluffy too... 8 units and units with more than one model are 8 strong.

also when i have to split the force up i can split into exact equal assault forces so i know what im going to get



thoughts?

looks ok but not very anti tank

im sure the two thirsters will be able to handle any tanks thrown their way =)

Drop some icons from the letters to fully differentiate the crushers.

The main problem I see is that fact that your list is extremely slow (other than the Bloodthirsters). All ranged weaponry will be focused on the Bloodthirsters till they are removed from the board, and then any heavy vehicles will march thru your team with ease, as they have no threats. Your Thirster has a toughness 6, and for any decent army, they'll have several ranged weapons that can hurt him pretty easily. And once you get up around that strength of weapon, the AP is going to be low enough to ignore his Iron Hide as well. Granted, your 4+ invul save is nice, but thats only a 50% chance to ignoring the wound. A couple bad rolls and you're down 250+ points FAST.

Just assuming a Bloodthirster will take down tanks is not going to work. You do not have enough heavy weapons or enough high strength options to deal with high armor values from something like a Land Raider, or even an opposing Soul Grinder. Your only choice would be getting in CC, and against a Soul Grinder, you still have to get past his 13 armor being a walker. You'll still need 5+ for a penetrating (with furious charge and unholy might), and after that, they still ignore a 1 or 2 on the damage roll. Your points would be better used with three Soul Grinders (a staple in all of my armies). One with Tongue and two with Phlegm.

You have way to many figures holding Chaon Icons. Two is usually more than enough, especially if you play the figures wisely and dont let them get rained on by bullets. You have - what - 150 points in Icons alone? Thats 10 points short of an entire 10 man squad of Bloodletters.

I would suggest adding in Soul Grinders. They provide you SO MANY options. Good range, an incredible large blast attack, a high strength, low AP attack, a template attack and a assault 6 attack. You can give him either phlegm or tongue and its only 160 points. For the firepower that presents, its well worth it. Dont know about you, but taking out half or more of an incoming army thanks to phlegm is worth its weight in gold. Coming in on turn one or two, shooting 36 inches and wiping out entire units of poorly placed Vanilla Space Marines always sets the tempo for games.

Just keep your SG's away from Terminators, or the equivilant. Let your BL's or Crushers handle them. 2+ armor save, HA. My Hellblade laughs at your poorly painted excuse for armor.

I have to agree with littlecizur, bloodthristers can beat the tanks, but you have to get them to the tanks. In the first round of shooting everything will be focused on the bloodthirsters, you have a little better than a 50/50 chance of killing his tanks before the bloodthirsters are killed. I bought an army almost exactly like what you are wanting, I have played it for a week and already know I need at least 2 soulgrinders, and 8 bloodcrushers in one unit is a bit overkill, you will do more wounds than your opponent's unit can take, especially since bloodcrushers are basically glorified bloodletters, and for the most part their only purpose is to distract your opponent from your bloodletters long enough for the letters to make it into close combat

Might sound silly to some, but I've found 4x Herald of Khorne (on Chariot) to be cheap and incredibly effective.
Yes, you lose the IC, but the overall stats are just incredible for such a low cost. You'll have to bit-bash a little, but its possible if you use a Bloodletter, and a chariot from Chaos in Warhammer Fantasy.

Bloodthirster is a absolute monster, I will never deny that. But I personally never consider using such high point figures in any games under 2000 pts. Well, maybe Fateweaver, but his survivability is so high (can re-roll his missed 3+ invul saves) that he has a great chance of taking massive amounts of fire and coming out untouched. That and the fact that he can actually create Chaos Spawns makes me tingle too. Just a great figure all around, but not being Khorne - I'll end my love story for him.

Anyhow...
The more bodies you have on the board, the better (for daemons). You can absorb the inital wave of gun fire and still get to your intended targets. Playing high point cost figures does nothing more than provide your opponent an obvious threat, and an obvious striking point. And if you've ever faced a small army of Ork Killa Kans busting out an ungoldly amount of small templates every turn, you'll know how valuable large amounts of bloodletters can be.

I would drop all those upgrades, you could fit more daemons that way.

i do see all the points made by the community, and i very much appreciate them. i have taken them to heart, heres my concern and where i need some "insight".


i want to do a Khorne themed demon army, and i really want to have a thirster in there, i love the idea of it is and what it does. that model alone sold me on this game when i was 12 (26 now).


like i said i want to keep it as much as khorne as possible.

here what ive gathered from you guys thus far:

drop one of the thirsters add heralds in chariots

reduce the size of the crusher units ( possibly go with one squad of six? or two squads of four?)

add soul grinders

add more letters

take less icons

ok any ideas on list to work with for ideas?

thanks for the help guys

ok using some of the ideas above heres the new list i came up with:

HQ:

Bloodthirster- Unholy Might, Blessing- 275

Herald of Khorne- Juggernaut, Iron Hide, Unholy Might, Blessing- 140
(i know everyone is suggesting chariots, but i REALLY dont want to lose the IC and i have a great conversion idea for a jugger mounted herald )

Elites:

6 Bloodcrushers- Icon- 265

Troops:

8 Bloodletters- Icon- 153

8 Bloodletters- Icon- 153

8 Bloodletters- 128

8 Bloodletters- 128

8 Bloodletters- 128

Heavy Support:

Soulgrinder- Phlem- 160

Soulgrinder- Phlem- 160

Soulgrinder- Tongue- 160

puts me at 1850 dead on




what do you guys think?

I do believe you will be MUCH happier with that line-up when its all said and done.

Keep the Bloodletters in cover while they creep in for the kill, thin out troops with the Phlegm attacks of the Soul Grinders along with his 6 shot harvester, and concentrate on taking out heavy support with the Tongue attacks and your Bloodthirster (depending on the HS of course).

The Soul Grinders are amazing, but you will find them aggrivating from time to time as well due to their poor BS of 3.

Switch out the DPs for SGs. You'll be glad you did. Your list is very similar to mine.

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DPs=?
SGs=?

i dont have anything in my list that starts with a "D"

thanks guys =)

any other thoughts or comments?

zachwho wrote:DPs=?
SGs=?

i dont have anything in my list that starts with a "D"

thanks guys =)

DP = Daemon Prince
SG = Soul Grinder

I can't think of anything to add that hasn't already been said. It look pretty good man

I like it, but you dont need that many Icons.

Also, you need more fast anti-tank, so take either Soul grinders or more Daemon princes.

Another idea that was brough up earlier, is taking four heralds on juggernauts, 3 squads of Blood crushers, and fill out the rest with bloodletters. Its fluffy, fun, and good.

Have you assembled any bloodcrushers?
currently working on 16 of them. they are a pain in the butt.

My khorne list I am woorking on

has
bloodthirster
skarbrand
bloodcrushers
6 small squads of bloodletters.
and flying princes.

the actual numbers of crushers or princes. will vary.
though this list is far from great. it will be great fun to play.