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Ive been using this list at the local club for some time and its been pretty successful. Came in 2nd at a local "for fun" tourny. Ive got an upcoming tournament i want to go to and i want to run this list. However never having done a tourny im wondering if im lacking against some of the more powerful builds.


please help me out with suggestions:

1750

Chaplain w/ terminator armor - 130

5 Assault Terminators w/ thunder hammer x5 - 200

Land Raider Crusader w/mm, EA - 275

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PF - 255
RazorBack w/ HB, EA

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PF - 255
RazorBack w/ HB, EA

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PW - 245
RazorBack w/ HB, EA

Landspeeder w/ HB,HF - 60

Landspeeder w/ HB,HF - 60

Predator w/autocannon, HB Sponsons - 85

Devestator squad 7 marines w/ 4 ML - 182

Total: 1747 pts.

What do you guys think ? Ive not really had problems with hords since i have enough HB and ML's. The termies w/ chaplain go in the LRC. I combat squad my tacs and create a fire base with the razor backs, ML devs and predator. The razor backs will move out if needed to grab objectives along with the land speeders.

This might just be me missing something, but why do you prefer thunder hammers over lightning claws on your termies?

Daan518 wrote:This might just be me missing something, but why do you prefer thunder hammers over lightning claws on your termies?

It's not a preference for Thunder hammers, it's a preference for Storm Shields. 3++ Invulnerable is miles better than 5+, especially since termies have a big target on their heads and Lightning Claw guys are only I4.

As for the list, I think you'll have lots of problems with heavy mech armies. The assault termies can't afford to go around smacking tanks (and even when they do, S8 +1D6 isn't great Armor Penning). 3 Meltas in that Tac Squads just isn't enough to break really heavy tank armies.

I'd like to see the HB on the Landspeeders upgraded to MM, and possibly some Lascannon action in the Devastators / Predators. Missile Launchers really aren't that good, so taking a 7 man Devastator squad just to get more of them seems like a waste.

tehcheator is correct regarding the assault termies/ TH/SS are far better. plus they do very well against armour when needed.

Tehcheator i really havent had that much problem with armour. The biggest problem with the LC over the ML is the cost. with cover being given to almost everything its really hard to justify the points for them. Plus ML's have been nice dual purpose for either light infantry and light tanks. Ive used both the meltas in infantry plus the PF's to take out armor. Plus the MM and AC on the LRC do pretty well.

I could add MM's to the land speeders. also i have a MM i could add to 1 tac squad....24" range just seems short of infantry and Land speeders.

I don't like the Devastator Squad very much, I feel like you can get better things with the points like another Predator or two, or perhaps another speeder (MM/HF) or some more termies since you have 2 open spots in the Land Raider. Have you considered switching the Crusader for a Redeemer with a Multimelta and Extra Armor? It'll save you 10 points and those flamstorms are viscious against hordes and MEQs alike.

I'd switch the Speeders to have MM/HF instead of HB/HF at that point. Fast moving melta weapons are one of the most potent tools the marines have available at this point. You also need to be very close to use those HF, so getting into that 12" uber threat range with the MMs won't be too big a deal.

Devestator squad 7 marines w/ 4 ML - 182

I'd replace the Dev's by two Predators with heavy bolters. They would fit better into your mech theme.

i have the bits to put together 2 more TH/SS termies so that is doable. Im building 1 razorback as well. I also have a spare landspeeder i could convert to a typhoon. Unfortunatly i dont have the 2 preds and im not sure i could get them built and painted in time. Here is a revised list.

Chaplain w/ terminator armor - 130

7 Assault Terminators w/ thunder hammer x7 - 280

Land Raider Crusader w/mm, EA - 275

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PF - 250
Rhino w/ SB, EA

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PF - 255
RazorBack w/ HB, EA

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PW - 245
RazorBack w/ HB, EA

Landspeeder w/ HfMM - 70

Landspeeder w/ Hf,MM - 70

Landspeeder w/ HB,TYPHOON ML - 90

Predator w/autocannon, HB Sponsons - 85


Total: 1750 pts.


i gave the 1 tac squad with a PF a rhino to make it a more resiliant squad of 10. i wont combat squad it. Or should i stick with a rhino and get the 5 points by either removing a fist or EA from a razorback ?

I like having a Rhino for the one unit. I'd switch the ML for a MM at that point, since they seem to favor a more aggressive loadout at that point. Also consider a combiflamer or combimelta for the sergeant in that unit. You will be able to use that unit to roll in behind the LR/Termies and clean up then hold onto a forward objective.

Those Land speeders say HB/MM, you mean HF/MM right?

Let me know how the Typhoon works out for you. 90pts on a speeder seems a bit steep since they are so easy to kill when it comes to it, but they can put down some nice firepower so if the opposing player doesn't donate time/fire to killing it, you can do some real damage with it.

Looks solid, I like it.

plyed 2 test games last night. both went very well. what i found was the LRC and the pred were fire magnets. which is ok since the most important thing. The pred dint fare so well in either game. However i feel in pairs or 3's they would do great. I also feel that a landraider would fare better if there was another one as well. My termies wound up footslogging both times due to the LRC getting popped.

The landspeeder typhoon did well as did all 3 of the lamndspeeders. the only benefit to the typhoon was its range over the meltas. Im still not convinced its worth its ponts. It survived better because there were 3 speeders. I found in KP missions that if i needed to consolidate the squads and not split them that the Razorbacks actually were a hinderance in 1 game. Im considering removing one or all of them due to points.

I wound up winning 1 match DOW, loot counters and drawing on a DOW, kp mission.

I have a normal landraider i think im going to add. Ive never used 2 LR's but i think the would work better in pairs. Plus i can put 1 squad in it and keep it pretty safe. Also i add some long distance s9 ap2 shots.

here is my new list .


please comment

Chaplain w/ terminator armor - 130

7 Assault Terminators w/ thunder hammer x7 - 280

Land Raider Crusader w/mm, EA - 275

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, melta,PF - 200

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, Plasma,PW - 225
Rhino w/ SB

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, Plasma,PW - 225
Rhino w/ SB

Landspeeder w/ HfMM - 70

Landspeeder w/ Hf,MM - 70

Landraider w/EA, MM - 275



Total: 1750 pts.

The Tac squad with the PF will go in the LR.

Its a little less variant and more cookie cutter having duplicate vehicals and squads.. but i think it might be a little more competitive.


should i keep the mm on the LR or give 1 tac a powerfist , or should i upgrade each tac with a plasma instead of meltas ?


or list #2

Chaplain w/ terminator armor - 130

7 Assault Terminators w/ thunder hammer x7 - 280

Land Raider Crusader w/mm, EA - 275

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, flamer,PF - 195

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, flamer,PW - 220
Rhino w/ SB

10 Tactical Marines w/ ML, flamer,PW - 220
Rhino w/ SB

Landspeeder w/ typhoon - 90

Landspeeder w/ typhoon - 90

Landraider - 250



Total: 1750 pts.


this list removes all EA except on the LRC it removes special weapons and just has flamers and upgrades the 2 speeders to typhoons.

As a marine player, I would say keep the Razors. While they give KP away if you combat squad then don't combat squad when it's important. Use the razors as fire bases instead. The speeders are good but you are right the typhoon isn't worth it. The Heavy flamers are interesting on the speeders but you still need to get in charge range, and I dislike the notion of a Nob with PK being in range to pop a speeder. I perfer range of the HB. Keep the MM on the LRC, it ups your fire potential with the LRC, you can fire all weapons including the MM.

eltharion72 wrote:As a marine player, I would say keep the Razors. While they give KP away if you combat squad then don't combat squad when it's important. Use the razors as fire bases instead. The speeders are good but you are right the typhoon isn't worth it. The Heavy flamers are interesting on the speeders but you still need to get in charge range, and I dislike the notion of a Nob with PK being in range to pop a speeder. I perfer range of the HB. Keep the MM on the LRC, it ups your fire potential with the LRC, you can fire all weapons including the MM.

The Heavy Flamer is much much much better at killing Horde armies than the Heavy Bolter is. With BS4, a Heavy Bolter gets an average of 2 hits per turn. The heavy flamer does way more than that whenever you are shooting it.

As far as being in assault range, who cares? You should be moving 12" every turn before firing whatever weapon you decide to shoot (HF at infantry, MM at Tanks), so any units that assault will hit you on 6's. Sure, a giant squad of orks on the charge will probably get enough attacks through to actually glance the armor with S4, but you should be happy that they are assaulting a 70 point Landspeeder instead of a 200-300 point infantry unit.

The 2 heavy flamers, especially combined with a flamer from a tac squad are much better than the heavy bolter against hordes. The idea is you dont just send the speeders after a full squad of orcs first turn. You wear them down with fire and then hit them with the 2 speeders AS WELL AS a tac squad.

Personally I find the LR works better if you have rhinos moving up with it to provide some cover. A single LR advancing on its own is an easy target for all the melta's you are seeing these days. 2 LR's works even better.

Predators work better in multiples if your going to use them.

I'd go with the first of the 2 lists you posted in your last post. But I would combine the 2 speeders into a single unit. It gives them free extra armor and makes them a single kill point instead of 2 and usually you want the 2 multi-melta shots to makre sure what your shooting at goes down.. Yes immobilized kills them, but they are pretty useless imobilized anyway.

Keep the HF on the speeders for sure, they're outstanding against Hordes.

I like your first list more, but I would prefer to see meltas in the tac squads instead of plasmas. Melta just seems to do everything Plasma can do + its far better against tanks. I think EA o nthe Raiders is crucial because they'll take a lot of can't move or shoot results and the EA keeps them mobile through that. I wish you had a second HQ choice to ride in the LR with the tac squad though, it would make them much more threatening (I'd likely go with a Librarian as Null Zone is a phenominal power to have against almost everyone these days).

1st list all the way. The typhoon speeders really are not worth the points for somethign that can die so easyly.

Thanks guys, i appreciate the help on the list. Im going to go with list #1. Ill switch the plasmas too meltas and make sure the speeders have HF's

Caffran9 wrote:Keep the HF on the speeders for sure, they're outstanding against Hordes.

I like your first list more, but I would prefer to see meltas in the tac squads instead of plasmas. Melta just seems to do everything Plasma can do + its far better against tanks. I think EA o nthe Raiders is crucial because they'll take a lot of can't move or shoot results and the EA keeps them mobile through that. I wish you had a second HQ choice to ride in the LR with the tac squad though, it would make them much more threatening (I'd likely go with a Librarian as Null Zone is a phenominal power to have against almost everyone these days).

Caffran9, i do have a libby model however the only way i see to get the additional 100 pts would be too remove 3 termy's and the HF's off of the speeders. That would give me 100 points to bring on a libby. I wonder if its worth it ?

Id leave the list as is with only adding the meltas and heavy flamers. let us know how you do in the tournament