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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 14:39:45
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Eat it coke drinkers turns out you're evil too!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/health/09soda.html?_r=1&hpw
New York Health Official Calls for Tax on Drinks With Sugar
A month after Gov. David A. Paterson dropped his proposal for a soda tax, New York City’s health commissioner has written an article advocating “hefty” taxes on sodas and sports drinks containing sugar. Such a tax, the article said, could be the biggest boon to public health since tobacco taxes.
"The commissioner, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, and Kelly D. Brownell of Yale University, his co-author, argue in the New England Journal of Medicine that a tax of a penny per ounce could reduce consumption by more than 10 percent and raise $1.2 billion a year in New York State alone.
“It is difficult to imagine producing behavior change of this magnitude through education alone, even if government devoted massive resources to the task,” said the article, published in the journal’s April 30 issue and released online Wednesday. “Only heftier taxes will significantly reduce consumption.”
But city officials said they were unlikely to propose such a tax, which would need the approval of the State Legislature. Mr. Paterson had proposed an 18 percent tax on nondiet soda, estimating it would raise $400 million a year, but deemed it doomed in February and dropped it in March because of public, industry and legislative opposition.
Marc LaVorgna, a spokesman for Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, said Tuesday when asked about the article that the mayor liked having his commissioners come up with “cutting-edge ideas,” but that a soda tax “is just not one that we’re going to be pursuing.”
Asked separately Tuesday about the problem of childhood obesity, Mr. Bloomberg praised the governor for broaching a soda tax but noted that “there was an enormous outcry.”
“It just tells you how difficult this battle is going to be,” he said. “But we have to do something to help our children, because if we can help them now, they’re going to have a much better life.”
Susan Neely, president of the American Beverage Association, issued a statement on Wednesday responding to the article: “We agree that obesity is a serious and complex problem. It defies both science and common sense, however, to think singling out one product as a unique contributor to obesity will make a dent in the problem.”
Ms. Neely disputed the link between sugar-laden drinks and obesity, saying that soft drink sales have been declining for much of this decade, as obesity rates have been rising.
Dr. Frieden has helped lead the city’s public-health campaigns to reduce smoking, ban trans fats, and post calorie counts in chain restaurants. He credits the city’s antismoking campaign with persuading 300,000 adults to stop smoking since 2002. But an estimated 1 million New Yorkers still smoke, despite cigarette taxes that are among the highest in the country. There is also a booming market in bootleg cigarettes, and some worry that a soda tax might lead to similar underground sales.
In the article, Dr. Frieden and Dr. Brownell, director of Yale’s Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity, say that based on experience with tobacco taxes, a soda tax would be “highly effective” in reducing the $79 billion in annual health care costs associated with obesity and overweight across the country.
They argue that an excise tax would be more effective than a traditional sales tax and provide an incentive to buy less soda. The article says that since the mid-1990s, children have been drinking more beverages containing sugar than they do milk.
“Diet-related diseases also cost society in terms of decreased work productivity, increased absenteeism, poorer school performance and reduced fitness on the part of military recruits,” it adds.
In a recent interview, Dr. Frieden said that the Bloomberg administration had tried to combat obesity through calorie labeling, banning trans fats and serving 1 percent milk in school cafeterias.
But, he said, “Soda is the big one.”
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 15:49:45
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Another silly bid to try and raise money. Just like prohibition, sterilization, and putting the ten commandments in courtrooms, it's less big brother, and more personal morals+public policy=fail.
The real issue here is states have no way of making money and thier fear of taxing anything that the public would get angry over is slowly bankrupting state after state. Obama is going to have to Man up and revoke the Bush tax cuts, or watch the states bleed dry. There I said it.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 15:57:30
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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tate. Obama is going to have to Man up and revoke the Bush tax cuts, or watch the states bleed dry. There I said it.
Wasn't he doing that anyway?
We should just skip the foreplay and tax the obese. Seriously. Fat people are a scourge.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:18:37
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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And babies. Man they cost a lot.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:18:52
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Fixture of Dakka
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My wife is in school to be a registered dietitian. I am counting on the existence of obese people to fund my next army(s).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:19:50
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Frazzled wrote:And babies. Man they cost a lot.
Frazzled: A serious poster with serious ideas.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:24:21
Subject: Re:First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Cackling Chaos Conscript
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@Shuma
I actually like your idea. But I also like the idea of forced sterilization for anyone who ever uses welfare.
Who determines who is obese though? I am considered obese but I will bet money that I can do more pushups, pullups, situps and run 2 miles faster than 85% of the "non obese population" The tax would be so difficult to impose due to handicaps (physical and mental) and people such as myself who are in shape but do not conform to a predetermined mold of "fit"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:29:19
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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ShumaGorath wrote:Frazzled wrote:And babies. Man they cost a lot.
Frazzled: A serious poster with serious ideas.
You think I'm joking? have kids, they cost a buttload and keep costing.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:33:23
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Just throw some angry bears into the streets and the morbidly obese problem will take care of itself.
Homelessness too.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:36:02
Subject: Re:First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Cackling Chaos Conscript
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@orkesaurus
With the avatars that you use I would have thought that a hungry bunch of cloned dinosaurs would have been more appropriate, ala Dennis Nedry in Jurrasic Park.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:38:29
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Go Bears!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 17:32:38
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Fixture of Dakka
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Frazzled wrote:Go Bears!

I can get on board with this...
(Hoping Jay Cutler works out... my wife & I are season ticket holders, it should be a good year)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 19:17:30
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine
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Clearly, Bodichi, you have no idea how welfare actually works and what it actually does given what you just said.
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Its simple: overspecialize and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 19:33:17
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Serious Squig Herder
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BlueGiant wrote:Clearly, Bodichi, you have no idea how welfare actually works and what it actually does given what you just said.
I thought it was simple; You sit on your ass while the gov't pays you. Then you spend your hard-earned money on 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:06:34
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Redbeard wrote:
I can get on board with this...
(Hoping Jay Cutler works out... my wife & I are season ticket holders, it should be a good year)
First we need a real WR. Though the Pace addition should shore up the OL; assuming he doesn't play like he has in the last couple years.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:17:54
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Not so simple. While, yes, welfare queens exist, they're a very small minority, most are on it for a very short time between jobs when, surprise, surprise, the economy has gone to hell.
You pay into it, you take out of it if you get a real bad break. So, yes, that's simple, I guess. I mean, how dare someone actually use a program that they paid for. Cuts down on the homeless and the well and truly desperate.
I have had good friends that have had to go onto welfare for short periods (i.e. <2 mo). Saved them from getting thrown out on the street when economic gak trickled down onto them, and gave them enough breathing room they were able to actually focus on getting a job.
Then again, it worked as intended, and actually helped people, which is probably why you never hear about it, it doesn't sell copy, nor does it line up with talking points or political red-meat.
Now back to the actual topic at hand...this tax proposal is moronic and plain political red-meat. Not to mention which kind of suggar is "suggar." I mean, 1 cup of orange-juice is 112 Cal, while 1 cup of Coke is 97 Cal, mostly from suggars so do you tax that as well? Another example of poorly thought out political hay. Then again, they have to pay for the corruption somehow.
If they really wanted to make a difference, they'd add an extra incentive to get some exercise (less tax on using a gym membership, making things more bike-friendly, publicly available facilities that are actually usable in winter, better training of students, etc.)
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Its simple: overspecialize and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:20:31
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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They don't want to make a difference. They just want the money. The "we're doing it for your health," is used along similar lines as "we're doing it for the children."
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:31:35
Subject: Re:First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Man O' War
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This is what we pay them to do...... LoL. What are they going to tax next cheeseburgers, air, bread?
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Blood for Blood god! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:32:33
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Air is not free, citizen!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 20:37:23
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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Frazzled wrote:They don't want to make a difference. They just want the money. The "we're doing it for your health," is used along similar lines as "we're doing it for the children."
or "we're doing it for national security" or "to protect American/British/Russian/wherever interests" or "because they're terrorists" or etc etc etc.
I appreciate that this is primarily a board where we waste time as opposed to doing any actual paid work during working hours, and I know that "Unca" frazz is in fact a lot more soft and cuddly* than many people here give him slack/credit for, but the way that so many Americans seem so much more concerned with $/£s than actual human lives across the globe of even in their own country really, really , REALLY seems odd to an outsider.
I wouldn't ( in this thread anyway, HA! ) be so bold to suggest that you are wrong in this stance but I would suggest that it is responsible perhaps for a hell of a lot of (mis?)conceptions the rest of the world has about "the Great Satan".
* seriously, they use him for plush testing for cuddly toys and he is infact a back up singer for "The Magic Numbers", most notanly on their fine track "take a chance".
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 21:01:25
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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We care, we just don't trust anyone else and are convinced, rightly, whenever someone is talking its usually a scam.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 21:24:43
Subject: Re:First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 21:30:09
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Battlefield Professional
Empire Of Denver, Urth
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I drink sparkling water.
I'll end up paying a carbon tax.
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“It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood” -- Karl Popper |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 22:48:30
Subject: First they came for the smokers, then the drinkers, now they come for me
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Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine
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Actually, in Chicago, there is an additional tax on bottled water, 5 cents per bottle.
And yes, that is largely to pay for the corruption here. The only remotely clean politician just left here for DC...
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Its simple: overspecialize and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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