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(CNN) -- "Braced for Fate" believes that Jews control American media, financial institutions and government and that federal authorities plan to confiscate guns owned lawfully by American citizens. Those chilling beliefs are revealed in posts on a white supremacist Web site that the Anti-Defamation League says were made by Richard Poplawski, the man who allegedly ambushed and killed three Pittsburgh police officers last week.

The organization, which tracks anti-Semitic activity, says Poplawski posted on the Web site first under the username "Rich P" and more recently under the ominous username "Braced for Fate."

In one post, "Braced for Fate" describes the eagle tattoo he sports in a photograph taken from Poplawski's MySpace page before the page was taken down, calling it a "deliberately Americanized version of the [Nazi] Iron Eagle."

The Anti-Defamation League says that other posts match up -- "Braced for Fate's" comments about Wellington, Florida, where Poplawski lived a few years ago, some names and some common links.

"Braced for Fate" is not shy about his beliefs.

"ZOG (Zionist-occupied government) is," he wrote in a lengthy post on March 13. "One can read the list of significant persons in government and in major corporations and see who is pulling the strings. One can observe the policies and final products and should walk away with little doubt there is Zionist occupation and -- after some further research & critical thinking -- will discover their insidious intentions."

"Braced for Fate" made just 52 posts, but in a post late last fall, he wrote that he sees himself "probably ramping up the activism in the near future."

"He didn't like the Zionists controlling the media and controlling, you know, our freedom of speech," Eddie Petrovic, who described himself as Poplawski's best friend, told CNN. "He didn't like the control of the guns that was about to happen. He believed everything our forefathers put before us and thought that it was being distorted." Petrovic said that Poplawski received a dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps for an incident during boot camp.

"He believed the Jews were coming, the Jews controlled society, you know, we're all under the thumb of Zionists and so on," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the movements of hate groups.

"Braced for Fate" referred to himself as a "skinhead" in some posts, and urged his compatriots to fight for the "ultimate victory for our people" by "taking back our nation."

"A revolutionary is always regarded as a nutcase at first, their ideas dismissed as fantasy," he wrote on November 1.

He feared that a total collapse of all order in the country was "inevitable," but, he wrote, that might be a blessing in disguise.

"If a total collapse is what it takes to wake our brethren and guarantee future generations of white children walk this continent, if that is what it takes to restore our freedoms and recapture our land: Let it begin this very second and not a moment later," wrote "Braced for Fate."

In another post, answering a question about what weapon he'd like to have if he were allowed only one, he said, "I guess I'd have to say my AK. Which is nice because it doesn't have to fall from the sky -- it's in a case within arms reach."

Police believe Poplawski, wearing a bullet-proof vest, fired more than 100 rounds at officers on April 4 with an AK-47, another rifle and pistol. Poplawski himself was wounded in the four-hour stand-off with police and is hospitalized.

Police initially responded to a 911 call for a domestic disturbance call from his mother. But a dispatcher's error kept police from learning there were guns in the home.-


How long will the U.S stand by and let these criminals go before they are branded terrorists. You've got the same motives, Anti-Jew stances, talk of Zionest, hoping for the downfall of America, amassing arms, plotting attacks, and ending in tragic blood shed. They bave the same beliefs. They too have carried out mass killings, they too have bombed places of worship, They to have the goal of causing fear in America and ethnicly purging it. Now I'm all for free speech, but when a group or member thereof acts, it becomes a terrorist, or terrorist sponsering group. Everyone who has been in the U.S.A military has had the briefing about hate groups that set up shop right outside of post because they are looking for people with military training. These people are taken to thier "camps" or compounds and used to train other "militia" militants. How many Synagouge bombings, Lynchings, and Immigrant killings will it take.

In closing I'd Like to draw some parallels to what was for a long time the deadliest terrorist attack in the U.S.A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

"McVeigh spent more time on the gun show circuit, traveling to 40 of the 50 states and visiting about 80 gun shows in all. McVeigh found that the further west he went, the more anti-government sentiment he encountered, at least until he got to what he called "The People's Socialist Republic of California"

"Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight ... Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might."

In 1993, he drove to Waco, Texas during the Waco Siege to show his support. At the scene, he distributed pro-gun rights literature and bumper stickers, such as "When guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw." He told a student reporter:

“ The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

Sound familier?

How ironic. Parnoid nutcases like this man are the best argument for gun control I've ever read.

I don't fear Joe Public with a gun, I fear twisted hatemongers like this guy with a gun.

The FBI is searching for 20 Somalis who went off and joined the Taliban, desperately afraid they'll get back into the country and blow things up; thanks to Mexico, Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the world; the UK busts an active plot for multiple mall bombings in Easter; and CNN thinks 12 wingnuts in a trailer park is a major threat?

To quote the Immortal Bard "ers please."

Good to see CNN now views people concerned about their 2nd amendment rights as potential terrorists. ers.

Petrovic said that Poplawski received a dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps for an incident during boot camp.

Score +1 for the Marine Corp. psych evaluation team then.

It's really odd ( and depressing) how people like this fixate on the Jews being behind "everything".

...how many "wingnuts" "concerned" about their "rights" did it take to blow up Oklahoma ?

Still on the plus side seeing as they're terrorists they don't get a trial and can just be locked up or shot right ? Or are they not terrorists when you have some sympathy with them then ?

US Citizens get the justice system if they are in the US. US citizens or dern ferners fighting on the side of the enemy on foreign shores get the cap and ball.

The FBI is searching for 20 Somalis who went off and joined the Taliban, desperately afraid they'll get back into the country and blow things up; thanks to Mexico, Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the world; the UK busts an active plot for multiple mall bombings in Easter; and CNN thinks 12 wingnuts in a trailer park is a major threat?

To quote the Immortal Bard "ers please."

Good to see CNN now views people concerned about their 2nd amendment rights as potential terrorists. ers.

US Citizens get the justice system if they are in the US. US citizens or dern ferners fighting on the side of the enemy on foreign shores get the cap and ball.

Nothing you're saying has anything to do with this topic. Go rant somewhere else.

Police believe Poplawski, wearing a bullet-proof vest, fired more than 100 rounds at officers on April 4 with an AK-47, another rifle and pistol. Poplawski himself was wounded in the four-hour stand-off with police and is hospitalized.

I'm pretty sure I got shouted at by trench raider because he didn't use that AK47. Insane neocon detective work at its best.


This guy is the worst kind of scumbag, the kind with a viewpoint not built off of the suffering of those around him but idiocy, ignorance, and selfishness. At least the insurgents have the excuse that over 1 million have died in Iraq (even if largely their own ethno sectarian warfare is to blame), this guys got nothing but his own paranoid hate.

Ah the intern speaks.

No he shouted at you because you don't know what an assault rifle is. Helps to know what the things are you would like to ban.

Frazzled wrote:Ah the intern speaks.

Good to see crazy neocon moderator that doesn't do his job well is up on my current nickname.

No he shouted at you because you don't know what an assault rifle is.

Frazzled wrote:The FBI is searching for 20 Somalis who went off and joined the Taliban, desperately afraid they'll get back into the country and blow things up; thanks to Mexico, Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the world; the UK busts an active plot for multiple mall bombings in Easter; and CNN thinks 12 wingnuts in a trailer park is a major threat?

You think any of those things are major threats? One incidence of terrorism is almost completely irrelevant in terms of security. Its the aggregated affect of multiple terrorist attacks that become problematic. And yes, 12 wingnuts in a trailer park are potential terrorists.

Frazzled wrote:
Good to see CNN now views people concerned about their 2nd amendment rights as potential terrorists. ers.

There's a massive difference between being concerned about 2nd amendment rights, and being an avowed skin-head with Neo-Nazi sympathies.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Good to see crazy neocon moderator that doesn't do his job well is up on my current nickname.

Mmm... sorry I'm impervious to flattery today Shuma.

How do I not know what an assault rifle is? He never posted anything but "your dumb" and you haven't supported anything more.

Ok you have me a bit. I only vaguely know of the thread you are referring to, other than closing it. I didn't know you and Trenchie were in a tiff. You'll have to ask him not me.

How do I not know what an assault rifle is? He never posted anything but "your dumb" and you haven't supported anything more. I know exactly what an assault rifle is, I posted links pertinent, I have fired them before, and I've been playing videogames since I was 6. Everyone knows what a fething assault rifle is. An AK-47 is an assault rifle, a civilian single shot modified version is a modified version of an assault rifle. Removing the weapons ability to fire on full auto doesn't suddenly turn it into a different god damn weapon, and given the weapons poor automatic performance anyway it doesn't do a tremendous amount to lower the effectiveness of the gun. But then have you ever shot one before?

Wow you've played video games. I'm impressed.
Yea making it semi auto means its no longer an assault rifle. Its just a really reliable but highly inaccurate semi auto carbine at that point.
Yep shot a few guns in my time.

And you probably shouldn't side with domestic terrorists over foreign ones without stated cause or reason. It just makes you look kind of racist.

What is this directed at me? Because I believe in the Bill of Rights I'm a terrorist? I guess we're all terrorists then unless you're against freedom of speech, press, assembly, etc. etc. Yep 300MM terrorists.

Nuts.

Now I'm confused Dogma. You're not concerned about the Somalis, one of whom has already blown himself up with two more on the internet espousing their cause, but you're concerned about 10 guys who have in aggregate probably the same amount of teeth between them?

There's a massive difference between being concerned about 2nd amendment rights, and being an avowed skin-head with Neo-Nazi sympathies.

Skinheads/NeoNazis are the purview of the FBI. They've been watched and dealt with for years, along with the Klan. They are so frustrated because they moment they get enopugh evidence the FBI nails of few of them. The rest are already in jail (see Aryan nation jail gang).

What more are you proposing be done Dogma?

Wow you've played video games. I'm impressed.
Yea making it semi auto means its no longer an assault rifle. Its just a really reliable but highly inaccurate semi auto carbine at that point.
Yep shot a few guns in my time.

That makes no sense. For one thing firing singles doesn't reduce the accuracy of the gun. You're putting a 7.62 down a rifled metal tube, removing the recoil issues brought to the fore by the poorly designed recoil placement of the ak47 makes it vastly more accurate. It's a pretty damn easy gun to hit with when you're not just holding down the trigger and screaming.

As for it being a carbine... I really don't think you know what a carbine is, given that they are typically lower calibur short stock variations of standard military rifles with generally preffered use in CQB engagements.

Here, learn something you could have googled yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine

What is this directed at me? Because I believe in the Bill of Rights I'm a terrorist?

Umm.. No. I didn't say that. Here I'll say it again.

And you probably shouldn't side with domestic terrorists over foreign ones without stated cause or reason. It just makes you look kind of racist.

When you go off the handle and promote support for the rights and freedoms of a "domestic terrorist" while supporting the torture, holding, and kidnapping of "suspected" terrorist abroad it makes you seem somewhat racist, or confusingly patriotic. Though I don't think thats a particularly sensible form of patriotism, more likely stemming from a sense of nationalist superiority. Otherwise place of birth wouldn't be an issue when considering human rights.

ShumaGorath, I don't understand what you mean by "racist".

Edit: Sorry Shum, the quote box had dissappeared when I asked the question.

Edit2: Good lord you're quoting yourself. I give up.

Zip Napalm wrote:ShumaGorath, I don't understand what you mean by "racist".

I mean it in the sense that "american" is a race I guess. Or I'm just implying that Fraz thinks that downhome whitefolk freedom fighters deserve more consideration than the brown guys from the desert.

It's the first one. Fraz hasn't really shown anything particularly racist, just a confusing form of nationalism tied up with human rights and considerations. I'm not entirely sure how to word it. Strike the racism from there I guess, it's not really accurate without considering Americans to be a race.

Edit2: Good lord you're quoting yourself. I give up.

I was quoting myself because he had stated I was calling him a terrorist. I hope the above explanation explains what I meant. I apologize to fraz, racist was the wrong word and definitely implied the wrong message.

Wow, Shuma's calling me a racist I love it. Have to report that one.

Then just say nationalistic. It makes things easier.

edit: spelling

Zip Napalm wrote:Then just say nationalistic. I makes things easier.

My point is that
1. There are bigger issues out there than the trailer park trash
2. Said trailer park are already being watched, so problem solved
3. I take issue when a network links everyone who Believe in a Key Right under the Bill of Rights to terrorists
4. I take issue with being called a racist because I have a concept of priorities. CNN is worried about a few losers when there is an open war on the border.

Zip Napalm wrote:Then just say nationalistic. I makes things easier.

Except nationalist is the wrong word too. Neither term fits. Fraz thinks that Americans deserve human rights considerations because they are american, thats not a nationalist viewpoint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism

Ethnic nationalism is the closest I could really find to describe it within the umbrella term, but that still implies a distinct form of racism, rather than simply treating the nation itself as a race.

Wow, Shuma's calling me a racist I love it. Have to report that one.

I already apologized for using the wrong term. Go back to saying I don't know gun terminology when you don't know gun terminology.

Frazzled wrote:

My point is that
1. There are bigger issues out there than the trailer park trash
2. Said trailer park are already being watched, so problem solved
3. I take issue when a network links everyone who Believe in a Key Right under the Bill of Rights to terrorists
4. I take issue with being called a racist because I have a concept of priorities. CNN is worried about a few losers when there is an open war on the border.

I'm in complete agreement with you.

4. I take issue with being called a racist because I have a concept of priorities. CNN is worried about a few losers when there is an open war on the border.

A war that has been going on for years while fox news talked about the taleban invading us by buying our ports. Seriously, you need a little bit of perspective on this one. It's not exactly a new issue, and this article doesn't mean CNN hasn't been covering the border issue like its the OJ simpson of the new millennium. This whole me calling you racist stems from the fact that it's totally unrelated and you're just trying to redirect the topic away from someone committing multiple cop killings because of his far right beliefs. Comment on the topic and post a new one with your somalian story. Don't just hijack this one.


Also I'm still waiting for a comment about the carbine thing.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Ethnic nationalism is the closest I could really find to describe it within the umbrella term, but that still implies a distinct form of racism, rather than simply treating the nation itself as a race.

Macro Tribalism?
Not trying to be flip, just seeking elucidation.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:Then just say nationalistic. I makes things easier.

Except nationalist is the wrong word too. Neither term fits. Fraz thinks that Americans deserve human rights considerations because they are american, thats not a nationalist viewpoint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism

Ethnic nationalism is the closest I could really find to describe it within the umbrella term, but that still implies a distinct form of racism, rather than simply treating the nation itself as a race.

Thats calling me a racist.
I believe US law applies to US citizens. I believe the job of the US government is to protect US citizens. Foreign citizens do not have the rights of US citizens under US law when they are not themselves in the US.

I already apologized for using the wrong term. Go back to saying I don't know gun terminology when you don't know gun terminology.

Will do as soon as you do. Sorry, info you learnesd from playing Pacman doesn't count.

But lets go back to whatever beef you seem to have, intern. What do you propose the government do that it is not doing now?

EDIT: Now you're saying I support a copkiller? And that would be because I shut down a thread where you and Trenchie were having an argument. I believe you may have been the one reporting the thread. So what you're really saying is I am evil because I acted on your report? Thats interesting.

Or are you saying I support copkillers because you don't know what the definition of an assault rifle is. Wow, just wow. Do you shout down speakers at your college too Shuma?

I think CNN is worried because domestic terrorism is better news. Unless you live near the border, or in a fairly major city, the Mexican drug war or international terrorism are probably not going to personally affect you. If you live in a small town in the heartland, militias and the like are a big deal.

I agree with the larger point that casting aspersions on all 2nd Amendment activists is improper, the idea that there are people who feel their rights are so infringed that they need to commit violence is, perhaps, a bit troubling. But it's just a good old fashioned moral panic, these things run out of steam after a while. CNN has a lot of time to fill.

Zip Napalm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Ethnic nationalism is the closest I could really find to describe it within the umbrella term, but that still implies a distinct form of racism, rather than simply treating the nation itself as a race.

Macro Tribalism?
Not trying to be flip, just seeking elucidation.

Macro tribalism fits pretty well actually, yeah. Is that a common term?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Zip Napalm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Ethnic nationalism is the closest I could really find to describe it within the umbrella term, but that still implies a distinct form of racism, rather than simply treating the nation itself as a race.

Macro Tribalism?
Not trying to be flip, just seeking elucidation.

Macro tribalism fits pretty well actually, yeah. Is that a common term?

No, I made it up.

Thats calling me a racist.
I believe US law applies to US citizens. I believe the job of the US government is to protect US citizens. Foreign citizens do not have the rights of US citizens under US law when they are not themselves in the US.

Which is why I'm saying its an incorrect term.

Will do as soon as you do. Sorry, info you learnesd from playing Pacman doesn't count.

No, but Americas Army has a few things in it relating. Also I've been a military nut my entire life, I love guns and explodey things and lasers and tanks. Also address my damn point, stop using ad hominem to redirect away from the fact that you have an indefensible position. A single shot ak47 variant is not a carbine, it doesn't fit any criteria of a carbine and it goes well against the concept. Lrn2gun.

ut lets go back to whatever beef you seem to have, intern. What do you propose the government do that it is not doing now?

Nothing. I'm sure the guy will be tried by a court of his peers and will be found guilty. He will likely be locked up for the rest of his life, and given his celebrity status will probably be killed in prison.

I guess if I want anything changed in this cycle it would be better security in prisons and more of an emphasis on rehabilitation. But thats got nothing to do with anything and I would personally like to see a bullet put in him. I've never really been against capitol punishment.

Oh, and a total banning of all firearms accompanied with a law that makes it a crime to carry. Half assing gun laws does nothing. I want guns in the hands of cops and soldiers, people whose job it is to use those guns in a controlled fashion. No one else.

Polonius wrote:I think CNN is worried because domestic terrorism is better news. Unless you live near the border, or in a fairly major city, the Mexican drug war or international terrorism are probably not going to personally affect you. If you live in a small town in the heartland, militias and the like are a big deal.

I agree with the larger point that casting aspersions on all 2nd Amendment activists is improper, the idea that there are people who feel their rights are so infringed that they need to commit violence is, perhaps, a bit troubling. But it's just a good old fashioned moral panic, these things run out of steam after a while. CNN has a lot of time to fill.

Agreed there. The concept that someone is going to shoot it out with police over something that the governemnt MIGHT DO is patently not sane. Thats what the political process is for. Admittedly I don't know much about the referenced case other than it started with an argument between the nut and his mom or someone over his dog? That sounds like a nut gone nutjob.

Frazzled wrote:Good to see CNN now views people concerned about their 2nd amendment rights as potential terrorists. ers.

No, CNN doesn't view people concerned with their 2nd amendment rights as terrorists. CNN thinks that among the gun community there are some folk harbouring dangerous fantasies that can and have led to violence, which is really a very obvious thing. Your effort above in pretending the other side was saying something very different is lazy and cheap, and exactly the reason there continues to be no meaningful dialogue on this issue.

It is exactly the same as when someone suggests 'there are problems in the Islamic community with extremists' and the response comes back 'not all Muslims are terrorists you bigot'.