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Ok Ive made several lists and I think this is closest to what I want. I love lists with giggle factor so thats the reason for the crusher overkill.

Thirster UM BotBG

Herald on Juggy UM Rending
Herald on Juggy UM Rending

3x5 complex crushers
9PBs
9PBs

Soulgrinder tongue
Soulgrinder Phlem

Any suggestions?

looks Pretty good, but I would suggest chariots and not juggers.

True Im just too lazy to convert them. This will be my vanilla army to piddle around with while I work on my chaos which is a very long term project.

rending sucks in 5th ed. lose it and a unit of crushers or a soulgrinder to get more troops if you want to play competitively or at least win more than you lose but if not, send me a picture of your opponents face when he sees 17 crushers a thirster and 2 soulgrinders

Rending is only there to make the unit complex.

And yeah its light on troops but my objective is to just table the opponent. This isnt a GT list its for local play.

17 crushers is a lot? You can fit 28!!

Even if they're plaguebearers, running only two units of troops is going to lose you a lot of games in 5th.

I second the suggestion to run chariots instead of juggers for the heralds. Less points, more benefits. And they're not all that complex to convert depending on what you use. 40kenthusiast has a set of 4 that are based on corpse chariots and they didn't look all that involved. The Chaos Warrior and Beastmen chariots can mount to a juggernaut too pretty easily.

Thanks for the advice

Thirster UM BotBG
Herald on Chariot UM

3x5 complex crushers
10 PBs
8 BLs
8 BLs

Soulgrinder tongue
Soulgrinder Phlem


I also have points left over for an icon. I haven't actually played with demons yet so I am unsure where they would be most valuable in the troops. Or maybe I should just use the points to upgrade the herald some or up the size of the troops.

Is that too many PBs in the unit? Should I drop a couple since they are just there to score?

Also what weapon is most common for grinders?

Edit: I could also drop 1 crusher from each unit for another chariot herald and fill the troops up.

Thanks!

I would say go with the numbers of the gods.

Call me superstitious but I always seem to do better when I use them.

Drop the PBs down to 7 man, it really is just the right amount. Luckily, it is also the number of Nurgle.

I'm just thinking off the top of my head because my codex is buried atm but I'd say drop the herald as well and just either get skulltaker or more crushers.

Also, phlegm is wasted on the SGwith all your crushers beating down everything that you would use it on. Just give them both tongue because you have to tzeench in your army and that would give you some good decently ranged A.T.

[edit] YES! oh my goodness gracious having icons will help those giant ass crusher units not run into anything you do not want them to

Heralds never seem worth 50pts base cost to me, and you can put skulltaker on a juggernaut to ride along with the crushers, it looks freakin' beautiful when your opponent just walks away, abandoning his army to start buying a real army: Primordial Annihilator Daemons.

(is hoping people understand the pun/wordplay)

I actually like horrors for troops, especially over blood letters. I'd say run one unit (max) of assault-troops, especially if you're running crushers.

Horrors have a much larger threat radius, and can hang out with an objective, while still having an impact on the battle.

My preferred troop setup has become:
3x 5 horrors w/ bolt of tzeentch (and one with changeling)
1x plaguebearers - as many as you feel comfortable with, and an icon.

In a lot of missions, your troops are going to have to go to set locations. The crushers can deal the beat-down needed. And your bloodletters will be left standing, with their power weapons and WS5, at an objective with nothing to fight.

With the complex crusher units, you should have plenty of icons. If you arrange your drops so that you've got 2x crushers in one wave and 1x crushers in another, you'll have at least one icon on the table, and crushers can take enough punishment that even one unit is likely to still be there after a turn of firing.

Thanks for the advice guys. I will definitely be looking into maybe x7 PBs for troops plus some horrors.

Redbeard, you dont find that 3x5 horrors is suicide in KP? Just seems like easy KP to me considering they are just guard in cover defense wise. I guess the changeling helps that though.

Thanks!

They are a lot more than just guard.

Look again at their weapons, that is rediculously good, even with BS3. 4+ invul is also amazing for a troops in the daemon army.

Have to agree with redbeard, tho. Personally, I think crusher lists are overrated but, an all khorne army doesn't seem to work because to tell the truth, horrors are almost more durable than the letters and they can do their job just sitting on their objective, nothing wasted. while a bloodletter squad sitting on the objective is wasted points.

I am running a similiar list.

I like the list alot : )

How have you done with it so far?

Thanks for the advice guys. I have decided to drop all letters for horrors and a few more PMs. We will see how that works

wha are all of the monser things with names under the messages

dungeons and dragons?

ROFL

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