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hello.
well i know it's time for alot if indepth pondering. one question i've had completely nagging of late is dealing with enemy armor. in the previous IG codex i really liked dropping Vets and command squads loaded up with Meltas. now dropping isn't going to be as easy unless you have a Valkyrie / Vendetta or 3. i do have a Valkyrie, but i don't have alot of disposable cash to buy more at the moment. and i'm thinking about loading Vets / PCS into Chimeras to deal with armor. i just don't see them as surviving very long. i know the Chimera price drop will help me to run more of them, so having 1 or 2 extras running interference might help.
thoughts, and suggestions fellow generals?

-Lascannons with that twinlinked order? I think that would work pretty good as the Imperial Guard can have access to a lot of lascannons. (probably you're best option)
-Hydra's look like a good option against an eldar or dark eldar player, also for taking down walkers reliably, basically anything AV12 and under a couple Hydras should help (but forgeworld costs....)
-Perhaps a Vanquisher Tank (the one that rolls 2d6 for armour penetration) but take 2... cause BS 3 isn't the best.
-The "Knight Commander Pask" upgrade for a tank seems pretty viable as well, staying still and is it re rolling armour pen? or just +1... either way is seems also like a good option.

There was a post earlier where someone math hammered out all the details of the new IG codex, it might have been a while back though, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/234631.page

So far in my eyes the best anti tank weapon for cost outside Lascannons and orders is a Medusa with the BB Shell upgrade.

Range 48'' Str 10 Ap 1 +D6 AP Heavy 1, Blast..............for 140 points each.

So even if you dont face enemy vehicles you still get a small template of Str 10 Ap 1 killyness.

jp400 wrote:So far in my eyes the best anti tank weapon for cost outside Lascannons and orders is a Medusa with the BB Shell upgrade.

Range 48'' Str 10 Ap 1 +D6 AP Heavy 1, Blast..............for 140 points each.

So even if you dont face enemy vehicles you still get a small template of Str 10 Ap 1 killyness.

While any Tau player can vouch for S10 ap1 (and 2d6 for pen on top of that!), AV 12/10/10 open topped is not exactly a platform that can take any form of abuse.

Yes you can give it camo and/or closed top, but then you are looking at a very expensive AV12 tank.


Personally, I am thinking Vendettas, melta PCS in a chimera, and perhaps a LC HWS if have the points.

Forget that, Vendettas coming in from the flanks with vets inside with 3 meltaguns will deal with pretty much anything short of the monolith.

vets with meltas are pure gold. keep the command squad near by (easily done with chimeras) and when you are ready to strike, issue the order of "Bring it down". 3 twin-linked meltaguns kill tanks easily. Spam these units if you have troubles, but 2 would seem to be plenty.

Capt K

CaptKaruthors wrote:vets with meltas are pure gold. keep the command squad near by (easily done with chimeras) and when you are ready to strike, issue the order of "Bring it down". 3 twin-linked meltaguns kill tanks easily. Spam these units if you have troubles, but 2 would seem to be plenty.

Capt K

I can see this as a reason to take Bastonne.

DS a squad of Vets out of a Valk w/ 3 meltas and Bastonne and they can give themselves "Bring it Down!" without a CCS.

Wish it wasn't so pricey though.

Thats great and all, until your air cav runs into another guard player with Hydras or a massive HWS army with few/no vehicles.

or, if you don't have any air cav to do that with. my lone Valk isn't going to do much by itself, and it'll be
a little bit before it get's any company.

A personal enjoyment I found with the new dex is the Punisher. S5 may not be the best at penetrating armor, especially at AP- (so it's definitely not anti-tank) but if you place Hark on him, Heavy 20 hitting on 3+'s, and put in some HB spons/hull and maybe a pintle(if you're willing to pay for it lol) and you could most likely lay down all sorts of massacre, even on MEQs I bet. Could prolly do some damage on a Godfex (5 wounds, saves on 2+) but I'm not too sure about that yet lol

I'd also invest in some HWS, as alot of people have mentioned. But one thing my friend pointed out to me is, you can roll a tank squadron side-by-side (with room for a free rotation) and place some heavies behind the tanks. helps if the heavies are maybe Meltas, but basically anything. Then you could tank shock to an extent, and when you're in close enough range to unleash Melta fury, either move the tanks out of the way entirely, or split em apart or however you wanna do it. the down side would be if someone brought alot of strong ordnances.. if they got some happy-go-lucky dice and a perfect scatter(for them), they could take out both tanks and a good number of the HWS possibly... but it could be a risk worth taking, just know your opponet's army

I'm pretty sure with this dex, there will be few players willing to go against a Guard in high point battles lol

Can the new sentinels out flank? if they can maybe squad of 3 with auto cannons can sneak behind and shoot the av 10 spots ?

jp400 wrote:Thats great and all, until your air cav runs into another guard player with Hydras or a massive HWS army with few/no vehicles.

Hence why the army will be using outflank, 9 twinlinked lascannons make a mess out of Hyrdras side armour.

3x Medusas with Bunker Busters (140x3=420 pts)
Park them behind a chimera, now you've got 3+ cover saves due to the rear-mounted gun and 100% concealed front facing.

Rain shells on Land Raiders turn 1, and your opponent has to kill a throwaway tank or waste shots on your cover saves.

Vanquisher Tank with Knight Commander Pask. It's a BS 4 72" Multi Melta.

This is the easiest question so far, bs4 melta gun.

Wow, I must have missed the Vanquisher stats.... Seriously, a 72" melta?

That hits ona 4+

Well ya it might not be the best choice for it being the only shot... but still. I was used to 12" Melta ranges lol

ifyouseekamy wrote:Wow, I must have missed the Vanquisher stats.... Seriously, a 72" melta?

Almost ...it's Ap 2 which is very different than Ap 1 Meltaguns. Also, you'd think that for 155 points they could have at least given it something like a coaxial weapon or made it BS 4 or even just let the thing fire normal battle cannon shells.

im going to run commander pask in a demolisher. this give the S10 main gun and the lascannon all with bs4 and +1 armor penetration. also special weapon squads with melta guns (and possibly melta bombs?)

2-3 Vanquishers with lascannons. You point at a vehicle within 54" and it should die or loose somthing.

i like the Demolisher. it's just that i'm affraid the 24" range is really going to hurt it for vehicle hunting.
i like the Vanquisher too. but i feel the BS3 is it's biggest drawback. Pask will help, one tank. :(
and the Vanquisher lost it's Coaxial weapon?!?! WTF? they're freakin' high if they think i'm going to
"remove" them! Arby strikes again!

ps
@Luna
only the Scout sentinel has the Scout ability. the uparmored one lost the Scout move. and the Scout sentinel can even have Lascannons if you wanted to arm them as such.

I know this isn't really a proper answer but a 3 lascannon HWS can deal with most stuff. IG are quite lucky because no one else can really field a huge amount of blast weapons so with proper use of cover and orders I usually can deal with 1-2 tanks by ignoring them, ( you fried a guardsmen, im so botherd).

alarmingrick wrote:
ps
@Luna
only the Scout sentinel has the Scout ability. the uparmored one lost the Scout move. and the Scout sentinel can even have Lascannons if you wanted to arm them as such.

I love taking armoured Sentinels because almost 90% of troops and Elites cant do jack squat to it in Close Combat.

Also, sniper squads are pretty good against tanks, because snipers have rending even if it is an AV anything you still have a 1/6 chance to penetrate.

Meltas are very effective as most defenses on tanks are over 12" range (DP), -6" of your range but is on AV10 Dark eldar, can't remember the name, Cover from intervening things (hard to get at under 12" range). Melta is your freind (apart from non-spammed vanquishers).

Wow, what happened to Dakka? We're suddenly recommending a bunch of meh units. Just a month ago people were going on about how Vanquishers are terribly overpriced. Of the below, I personally use 1, 3, and 4 exclusively.

1. Veterans with 3 meltaguns in a chimera. Cheap, effective, scoring. Don't overdo it, though - this is a common list error that people make - more than 3 squads is overkill. I personally run 2.

2. Hydras. Excellent with autocannons, no speed-based saves.

3. Manticores. Multiple S10 blasts? Closed-top standard? Can fire indirectly to get side armor shots? Holy hell, I'll take 10.

4. In a pinch, sentinels. Multilasers are better AV10, autocannons against 11, and lascannons against 12+. Personally I think lascannons are a bad idea (sentinels are supposed to be cheap and expendable), and run mine with multilasers. I personally run multilaser scout sentinels.

5. DO NOT USE INFANTRY SQUADS, IF YOU TAKE PLATOONS, AS ANTI-TANK. Cheaper to take Hydras/Manticores/Vendettas. However, loading up on autocannon heavy weapons squads will serve you nicely. Take 4 of them for a total of 24 autocannon shots, holy hell. Use BiD with Creed (since he has 4 orders) and that's 18 hits.

Blob squads can provide effective anti-tank shooting, especially since the effects of Orders on the unit is amplified.

makr wrote:Wow, what happened to Dakka?

We stepped through a time portal into last year.