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Hey all!
I was doing a little research on converted battlewagons and i was wondering what sized vehicles people would accept as a battlewagon.

Well on one end of the scale there are the likes of heavily converted leman russes and generally most IG tanks such as the ones in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT2SVaY9Wt8

I'm fairly sure its pretty safe to say that the likes of a land-raider would be pretty safe and i have seen allot of these converted to be battlewagons.

On the other end of the scale we have what i am strongly considering for a conversion, superheavy tanks such as the bane-blade. I've seen a few people doing these but i was wondering that if i set a converted baneblade in front of you would you accept it as a battlewagon?

Maybe this is a stupid post but i would really like to clarify whether or not this would be acceptable before i blow £60 on a baneblade only to have people refuse to let me field it. Any input would be great!

LR is fine, but don't use super-heavies.

Sure you can use a baneblade as a counts as battle wagon. Itd be insane and nuts but you can do it. It would be at least 3x easier to blow up seeing as EVERYTHING could see it, and blast templates would most likely hit it no matter how far off it goes. If your going with a converted baneblade you should use some apoc rules so you dont waste time/money. LR are normally a perfect fit for a battlewagon. If you go with an IG tank you need to make it alot bigger, but that wouldnt be too hard. Shoot one guy on here made one from a rhino so you can pull it off

KingCracker wrote:Sure you can use a baneblade as a counts as battle wagon. Itd be insane and nuts but you can do it. It would be at least 3x easier to blow up seeing as EVERYTHING could see it, and blast templates would most likely hit it no matter how far off it goes. If your going with a converted baneblade you should use some apoc rules so you dont waste time/money. LR are normally a perfect fit for a battlewagon. If you go with an IG tank you need to make it alot bigger, but that wouldnt be too hard. Shoot one guy on here made one from a rhino so you can pull it off

IMO it would be better to make a baneblade into a skullhammer. If someone made a baneblade as a counts-as battlewagon I wouldn't allow it in games, but I would allow LRBT or LR because they are closer to the model's size.

But a Skullhammer is fine too.

I wou;dn't object to an opponent fielding a well-converted baneblade counting as a battlewagon, unless he was a weasel and unfairly using it to unfairly block line of sight or whatever. As KingCracker says, its size would mostly be a disadvantage in play.

But I can see that others might object, especially in a tourney.

Personally I'd look at converting the baneblade by removing some road wheels to shorten the hull and also narrowing the hull, to a more battlewagonish size - that woud look cool and be perfectly fluffy as orks are happy to loot wrecked vehicles. But it won't be an easy conversion :( good luck

People who would not allow a bane blade transformed into battlewagon realize that it is the opponent with the advantage, not the ork player? How hard would it be to hide 50% of a bane blade to get the 4+. And it is not as though it behooves you to block LOS with it, it will most likely be taking shots on its AV 12 sides.

Fluff wise, however, the battlewagon model seems small. It is not much larger than a trukk, and holds 8 more models, not to mention the chassis is narrow. I think the forgeworld battlewagon is more the size of a superheavy anyway.

Masaioh wrote:IMO it would be better to make a baneblade into a skullhammer. If someone made a baneblade as a counts-as battlewagon I wouldn't allow it in games, but I would allow LRBT or LR because they are closer to the model's size.

But a Skullhammer is fine too.

I dont think that your too much of a 40k player, honestly the actual battle wagon model is closer to a Bane blade, or storm hammer, than a leman russ. Those (imperial guard tanks) make better looted wagons. BB do just fine with some hefty converting and not as many sponsons/ a turret, unless you have a boomgun, or kill kannon. Oh yah and a place fer da boyz ta go.

coverting a BANEBLADE to a battle wagon is like choping up a lion to make a dog, if you really want something converted,buy a baneblade set some plastic and some random wheels.

There's someone at the local shop converting a baneblade to a battlewagon right now, and it's looking pretty cool.

Really, what's the big deal if someone does it? As others have said, it's a disadvantage in a game. The main reason someone would do it then is to add some flair to the army. It makes a great centerpeice.

tahthing, your post makes no sense. First you say it's a sin to convert a baneblade, and next you say to buy a baneblade and convert it?

it would be stupid enough to convert a big and expansive Beneblade into a weaker Battlewagon IMO.

Look at the footprint of the GW battle wagon. That is the comparative size you should use i.e. no bigger than a Land Raider. A battlewagon is much too weak and it will get taken off the table every game because it will be huge and have paper armor compared to any other veicle its size.

You're an Ork player! Make that damned thing as big as you want! Make it the size of two mating Stompas doing it on top of four baneblades with a couple hundred grots watching if you like! As long as it looks Orky!

But, alas, Cracker has a point. Too big and it's too hard to hide.

Thanks people for you opinions on the matter, i think i might go ahead with this and if i do i'll post up a WIP thread.
I don't really care if its size is a disadvantage as i would just love the look of the thing.

oh andGoFenris, your post made me scared just a little... extremely strange images in my head right now...

lol Fenris can do that, active imagination me thinkz.
Good luck on your baneblade/battle wagon. It will look awesome. If money is no object, buy a baneblade AND the Ork battlewagon. Some one mixed those 2 kits together and it was simply the coolest looking Ork tank ever. And oddly enough the battlewagon kit fits PERFECTLY in between a baneblades tracks. So everything just kind of goes together.
Either way good luck like I said.

Firstly, hello everyone! Long-time reader, etc etc etc. I play space marines, my wife plays orks. Comes in handy when we have a fight and need some resolution

On the subject of battlewagon sizes; I've been helping her customize her scratchbuilt battlewagon, and could use some input: It's 8" long from tailgate to deffroller, 5" tall from the top of the killkannon, and 5" wide wheel to wheel. (the hull itself is 7" long, 4" tall, and 3" wide)

How bad have we mangled the rules, and is there the slightest hope of this ever being fielded in tournament play? If not, any tips on modification, or is it a lost cause?

hey man make your own thread about it and not use someone elses

DarkOps wrote:Firstly, hello everyone! Long-time reader, etc etc etc. I play space marines, my wife plays orks. Comes in handy when we have a fight and need some resolution

On the subject of battlewagon sizes; I've been helping her customize her scratchbuilt battlewagon, and could use some input: It's 8" long from tailgate to deffroller, 5" tall from the top of the killkannon, and 5" wide wheel to wheel. (the hull itself is 7" long, 4" tall, and 3" wide)

How bad have we mangled the rules, and is there the slightest hope of this ever being fielded in tournament play? If not, any tips on modification, or is it a lost cause?

Welcome to Dakka DarkOps.
Ok,first off I see no problem with the size of your Battlewagon build,and it's a nice effort,however IMO it deffinatly needs "orking up",as it is it appears your orkz swiped some "good ole boys" ride and slapped some dakka on it,that's not to say that it isnt a good start...it's just to "clean" and obviously a truck.
I would sugest adding alot of armour plating,you can easily do this with plasticard as well as adding alot more "battle damage" to break up the clean lines the model currently has,also if you can find tank trakks ( from a toy tank) or diffrent wheels I'd suggest changing out the current wheels,and lastly your "deffrolla" looks more like a ram then a "rolla".
I hope all this dos'nt sound to critical or negetive,I like the base idea of what you have here,it just could stand a bit of "modifications".
hope some of what I suggested helps.

Thanks for the input, and yeah, she's going to be dirtying it up a bit more. The ram's supposed to count as a rolla in conjunction with the monster truck tires. Kind of a "smash into it then crush it" approach. More armor plating and nasty bitz are gonna be added on as we get more to use. Got a ton of cadavered figures and models to use. (And there's a ramshackle roll cage added, it's just not showing up very well in the picture)

Again, thanks for the comments. It pretty much confirms what we already suspected about the bodywork.

I think that buying two battlewagons and making a bigger battlewagon out of both would be more on the lines of a real battlewagon. IMO the current battlewagon is too wussy to be something for a warboss!

i'd definately wanna convert a baneblade into some sort of super-heavy for the orks.. like a skullhamma or something equivalent.

But, on the same hand don't get me wrong i love seeing super crazy converted models! especially ones that been made out of a baneblade!

Your right a battlewagon is OK for a warboss but if he wants to be the biggest baddest warboss in da universe, he needs to be riding around in a Stormlord. Size, Armor, Dakka, and room in da back for him and all da boyz.

KingCracker wrote:Good luck on your baneblade/battle wagon. It will look awesome. If money is no object, buy a baneblade AND the Ork battlewagon. Some one mixed those 2 kits together and it was simply the coolest looking Ork tank ever.

You mean this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/228048.page

Yeah, it's ULTIMATE.