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Ok,

I like the Dark Angels (fluff etc.) But I am not a big fan of playing handicpped armies. Everytime I peruse the codexs I find that it appears playing my DA's as vanilla marines with the new SM codex makes for a much more winnable list.

I would like to hear how some of you folks think the Dark Angels can be made into better army than vanilla marines, as compared to the current SM codex (ie what areas do you think the DA's are stronger etc. than vanilla marines).

Example DA army lists would be great.

Thanks All.

Oh and I guess I should also mention that I'm mainly interested in standard Dark Angel lists, NOT Raven & Death Wing. Thanks.

No joy, then. Unless you play Raven wing or Deathwing their is nothing that vanilla marines do not do better.


Sorry

DW+RW are the only thing that DA get that are better thn vanilla SM. If you dont want to use thewings, then youre better off with vanilla.

Just use lysanderas belial, and Ko'shorro as ravenwing master...and sicarius' rules would be fitting for a primogenitor chapter.

and relic blade = swordof secrets...

Yes, unfortunately the Dark Angel's book is just not what it ought to be. This is nothing new, the book has never been impressive but as of the writing of the current space marine Codex there really isn't much in the way of an advantage to using it. They used to have cheaper Rhinos and Razorbacks but they don't even have that any more. The only thing it has going for it is the ability to play Death Wing and Raven Wing. Otherwise, the Space Marine Codex will make for a much more serviceable army and as others have mentioned there are some space marine special characters that will make pretty good 'counts as' Dark Angels.

I must agree. the first turn charge with RW is awesome, and scoring terminators is unbelivably rad, but otherwise, just play vanilla marines and SAY they are Dark angels.