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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:30:30
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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In defense of my fellow CD peeps I work with:
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1520295
The border for dummies
National Post editorial board
National Post
Published: Wednesday, April 22, 2009
Can someone please tell us how U. S. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano got her job? She appears to be about as knowledgeable about border issues as a late-night radio call-in yahoo.
In an interview broadcast Monday on the CBC, Ms. Napolitano attempted to justify her call for stricter border security on the premise that "suspected or known terrorists" have entered the U. S. across the Canadian border, including the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack.
All the 9/11 terrorists, of course, entered the United States directly from overseas. The notion that some arrived via Canada is a myth that briefly popped up in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, and was then quickly debunked.
Informed of her error, Ms. Napolitano blustered: "I can't talk to that. I can talk about the future. And here's the future. The future is we have borders."
Just what does that mean, exactly?
Just a few weeks ago, Ms. Napolitano equated Canada's border to Mexico's, suggesting they deserved the same treatment. Mexico is engulfed in a drug war that left more than 5,000 dead last year, and which is spawning a spillover kidnapping epidemic in Arizona. So many Mexicans enter the United States illegally that a multi-billion-dollar barrier has been built from Texas to California to keep them out.
In Canada, on the other hand, the main problem is congestion resulting from cross-border trade. Not quite the same thing, is it?
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:31:28
Subject: Re:Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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And later cleanup
U.S. security boss clarifies comments about border
Updated Wed. Apr. 22 2009 1:22 PM ET
CTV.ca News
The U.S. Homeland Security chief has clarified earlier remarks that suggested the 9-11 terrorists entered the U.S. through Canada.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano made the comments during a media interview earlier this week, much to the chagrin of Canadians on both sides of the border.
In a release Tuesday night following the interview, she called Canada a "close ally and an important partner" and said she was simply misunderstood.
"I know that the September 11th hijackers did not come through Canada to the United States," she said in the statement.
"There are other instances, however, when suspected terrorists have attempted to enter our country from Canada to the United States. Some of these are well-known to the public -- such as the Millennium Bomber -- while others are not due to security reasons."
Ottawa rushed to defend its border security on Tuesday amid the diplomatic scuffle that broke out over Napolitano's earlier remarks.
In recent years, Ottawa has invested a great deal of effort into dispelling perceptions among Americans that Canada's border is an easy entry point for terrorists planning attacks on U.S. soil.
"Unfortunately, misconceptions arise on something as fundamental as where the 9-11 terrorists came from," said Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador in Washington.
"As the 9-11 commission reported in 2004, all of the 9-11 terrorists arrived in the United States from outside North America. They flew to major U.S. airports. They entered the U.S. with documents issued by the United States government and no 9-11 terrorists came from Canada."
Wilson, who was the keynote speaker at the Border Trade Alliance meeting in Washington on Tuesday, said Napolitano's staff attempted to tamp down the controversy by blaming the comments on a simple misunderstanding.
"Her comment from her people is that she misunderstood," Wilson said, adding that he was planning a personal meeting with Napolitano in the near future.
The furor began when Napolitano was asked to clarify statements she had made about equal treatment for the Mexican and Canadian borders, despite the fact that a flood of illegal immigrants and a massive drug war are two serious issues on the southern border.
"Yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year," she said.
"Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there."
When asked if she was referring to the 9-11 terrorists, Napolitano added: "Not just those but others as well."
However, Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan downplayed the comments and said that Napolitano is well aware that Canada was not the source of the 9-11 terrorists.
"We spoke about it back in March, and we were sharing a chuckle at the fact that the urban myth does circulate," he told CTV's Power Play.
"Ms. Napolitano understood quite clearly, then and now, that none of the September 11 terrorists came through Canada, as the 9-11 Commission found."
Still, that positive outlook wasn't shared by other Canadian officials.
On Tuesday afternoon, RCMP Commissioner William Elliot expressed frustration with the comments during an interview on CTV's Power Play.
"I was somewhat surprised and disappointed," he said, adding he hopes the misconception has been cleared up.
"I understand and am happy to hear that she has issued a statement acknowledging that that didn't happen."
But Thomas d'Aquino, president of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, decried Napolitano's comments on Tuesday.
"I am a longstanding friend and ally of the United States, but sometimes failures in our two-way dialogue cause me to shake my head in sadness and dismay," he said in a press release.
"The claim that some of the 9/11 terrorists entered the United States from Canada is, quite simply, a myth - an urban legend that began with a handful of erroneous media reports in the days following the terrorist strikes."
With files from The Canadian Press
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:32:11
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Do they give these people tests before nominating them to cabinet level posts? And what type of curve is it graded on?
Ah, career political appointees at their finest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:35:54
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Yes. Did you cheat of your taxes-you're nominated.
You don't cheat-you're right out! Who let you in here!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:42:58
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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It'd be embarrassing enough if she was the Secretary of Agriculture. But, to be the Secretary of Homeland Security and not realize the issues - unreal. It'd be like the Secretary of the Treasury not paying his taxes.........
Of course her staff is trying to downplay that it was 'just a misunderstading'. And, they're right. But, it's not that the reporters misunderstood what she said, she misunderstood the facts. Next thing you know, she'll be saying that the WTC towers were dropped by bombs because the explosion was too big.
Nice attempt by her. "That's in the past, I'm looking to the future." If you go by, 'those that don't understand the past are doomed to repeat it', I guess she's looking at forward to the....past.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 21:46:06
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Wow what a dumbass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/22 22:12:35
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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EPIC FAIL.
I pity my country...
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"I.. I know my time has come" Tethesis said with a gasp, a torrent of blood flowing from his lips.
"No! Hang on brother!!" Altharius could feel the warmth slip away from his dear sibling's hands
Tethesis's reached out his bloodied arm to Altharius's face.
"I..I have one final request"
Altharius leaned close to listen, tears welling in his once bright eyes.
"make sure th..they put my soulstone in a tank... it'll be... real fethin' cool"
"Yes, you're gonna be the most fethin' cool tank!!" burning hot tears streaked down Altharius's face, as he held his brother's soul in his grasp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 01:24:02
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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"And here's the future. The future is we have borders."
THANK YOU TAX DOLLARS
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 02:28:16
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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^ win.
Sad story. I have a lot of hope for the US right now but appointing people like this to key positions isn't going to help.
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Angels of Absolution 1500pts
Vostroyans 500pts
Dark Elves 2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 03:29:51
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Was never a fan of Napolitano, I always get the feeling she got the job by rubbing elbows. In defense of the policy, canada is in fact a giant unsecured border. Though honestly it's fairly unsecurable. If they can get into canada they can make it into the US without too much difficulty. Thats not going to change no matter how much money we waste on that crap. Northern border security is a pointless flash issue. The big O is doing a great job in office, but god damn are his appointees screwing the pooch with these slips of the tongue. That said, this is just par for the course given some of the crap conservatives said over the last 8 years. People need to pay more attention to who they are voting in locally. At least we're not invading canada over this bad info  .
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 12:38:27
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Any land border is very difficult to secure against determined infiltrators.
In the modern world, it's not easy to secure sea borders, given the volume of international trade and people crossing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 13:33:52
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Demacrats have been out of power for so long, they forgot how a wrong word or two can really mess you up. Obama thinks for a min or two before he anwers a question, Maybe his party should follow suit.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/23 13:42:52
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Maybe Obama needs to take a lesson from Bush and Cheney - don't let his cabinet members say anything but, "I can't divulge that information due to national security. Unless it hurts a political rival, then I'll release it."
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 20:01:19
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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You know, they say that when someone says "umm..." and such they are thinking of ways they can lie without getting caught. Either that or they are speaking too fast for their thoughts to catch up.
The democrats were the majority in congress since 2006 so they should know better, but look at Biden. Hes been in the senate longer than McCain and still slipped up. To err is human.
A solution to the borders is to build a wall, a very big wall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 20:05:38
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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An idiotic and epic fail solution to the borders is to build a wall, a very big wall, along the largest unprotected border on the planet, across hundreds of rivers, roads, water channels, canyons, valleys, hills, and the great lakes.
I fixed your quote for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 20:34:35
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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ShumaGorath wrote:
An idiotic and epic fail solution to the borders is to build a wall, a very big wall, along the largest unprotected border on the planet, across hundreds of rivers, roads, water channels, canyons, valleys, hills, and the great lakes.
I fixed your quote for you.
You are so not thinking creatively today Shuma. You don't need a wall, just a filter.
Put up a Tim Hortons every mile on the border. Lets say US$250K in cap costs, lets say 2,100 miles (who knows, but then again who cares). Thats only $525MM a year. Peanuts. No Canadian is going to pass by a Tim Hortons, its just inconceivable. Anyone that does walk past is a prima facae terrorist and our satellites can track and guide in some JDAMs.
Sure there are flaws-mostly its too cheap a solution for the US government. Put me in charge, and I'll make sure the budget needs reflect the importance of protecting the border from terrorists.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 20:53:58
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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You need to make sure you commission McDonnell-Douglas and Boeing to make prototype walls, so you can select the best one, then commission the failing one too for the marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 21:02:40
Subject: Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I see you're fully versed in government procurement. Its a win win for all bidders.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 21:09:32
Subject: Re:Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Perhaps you could let members of various communities use areas of the wall to express themselves artistically too! Make it something the whole community can enjoy and make use of.
I think Berlin has some spare parts lying round going for cheap.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 21:30:23
Subject: Re:Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Let's go 80s futuristic on the wall. You build 2 sets of walls, one on the Canadian and one on the Mexican border. You have key entry points that are so strictly guarded and secure that no illegals are going to slip through (and very likely no one else unless they have every i dotted and every t crossed). The rest of the wall is divided into 2 sections: one secondary northern wall and one secondary southern wall. In between each wall you build a series of traps, landmines, amusemnet park mirror mazes, etc... Every 10 miles or so you hire Gladiators (like in The Running Man starring Arnold S.).
The illegals sign up at check points across the northern or southern secondary wall. If they can manage to make it through all of the traps, gladiators, alligator pits, etc.. they get a free pass into the country. Along the way they can win toasters, stacks of cash, vcrs, etc... like in Smash TV. This will be paid for by subscription television, internet feeds, or whatever. You could even have a multi-country lottery on who will make it.
Here's the kicker. For every 10 illegals that make it thru, a random member of the Dept of Homeland Security (and the respective depts in Mexico and Canada if they exist) is selected to run the course. If they can successfully make it every American, Mexican, or Canadian gets a stimulus check.
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40k: Orks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 21:35:48
Subject: Re:Look out Canada full of them thar terrorists!
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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I'm sure Pink Floyd would do a special reunion gig to help fund it/raise awareness of it.
Maybe part of it could be used to show pictures of missing people, like a giant milk carton.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 21:57:27
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- Human wrote:^ win.
Sad story. I have a lot of hope for the US right now but appointing people like this to key positions isn't going to help.
The problem is the people at the top: Obama and Pelosi.
Obama just lives in fantasy land with a blank check book, and Pelosi is some sort of bio-engineered Franken-Nazi with a cyborg brain. She makes no sense. I loved her comment a few months ago that if the Obama Stimulus package wasn't passed "500 million Americans would lose their jobs every month."
Even after being corrected she stood by that statement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/24 22:22:27
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Mattlov wrote:"500 million Americans would lose their jobs every month."
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/25 02:30:42
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Read more carefully. You quoted it wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/25 02:45:11
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Ah.
It makes no sense regardless, though.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/27 14:05:33
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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ShumaGorath wrote:
An idiotic and epic fail solution to the borders is to build a wall, a very big wall, along the largest unprotected border on the planet, across hundreds of rivers, roads, water channels, canyons, valleys, hills, and the great lakes.
I fixed your quote for you.
Israel has a wall and China put up a wall, and they kind of work. Why can't america have a wall, it sounds fun. In fact, it should be built 50 miles into the atlantic ocean and a longer extension of the wall should be wrapped around Hawaii.
Pelosi did say that though. Republicans and Democrats have one thing in common, FEAR! The only thing that changed is that the republicans used terrorists and the democrats use the economy.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/27 15:12:05
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They both use fear, only one mock drowns you to cause it.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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They both use fear, only one makes a civilian army to instill it.
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They both use fear, but only one uses terror, and we know from WHFB terror>fear.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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